So, do we know more than that autosport 'experts' ? Vettel: 7 - Wimped out of qualifying and race strategy nearly worked, but left it too late to pit for softs. Webber: 7 - RBR screwed him over in race and quali, but looked good for a decent race so will give him more than a usual 6 for someone who has no control over their destiny. Alonso: 9 - Would have been 10 if he got pole. Masterly race. Massa: 5 - Looked more 2012 in quali and race despite promise in FP sessions. Button: 8 - Made the best of 2 stop strategy. Couldn't do much more. Perez: 5 - Off the pace all weekend Kimi: 9 - Did as well as he could. Out raced Hamilon for 2nd but couldn't quite match Alonso Grosjean: 5 - See Perez. Rosberg: 6 - Couldn't match Hamilton and wasn't in contention before retirement. Hamilton: 8.5 - Not sure if 8 or 9. Great pole but couldn't match Alonso in race or Kimi with tyres, and a bit lucky to hold Vettel off on last lap. Hulk: 7 - Banked some points, just feel he could have done better in the race than 10th. Gutierrez: 2 - Weekend to forget di Resta: 7 - Outqualified Sutil again and raced well, despite teammate shoving him off the track. Sutil: 6 - Worst performance of 2013. Maldonado: 6 - Better, but the sparkle of 212 is missing. Bottas: 6 - Hampered by Williams lack of pace, finished just behind Maldonado. Vergne: 7 - Would have got points but for Webber Ricciardo: 9 - Great quali followed up by accomplished race. Looked the part this weekend. Pic: 6 - Not sure where he stands right now. Vab der Garde: 4 - Blue flags? Bianchi: 8 - Easily the best of the bottom 4 and showed good pace. Chilton: 6 - Brought it home without incident (again)
Vettel: 7 Webber: 5 Alonso: 10 Massa: 5 Button: 9 Perez: 5 Kimi: 9 Grosjean: 4 Rosberg: 6 Hamilton: 8 Hulk: 7 Gutierrez: 3 di Resta: 8 Sutil: 6 Maldonado: 6 Bottas: 6 Vergne: 7 Ricciardo: 10 Pic: 6 Vab der Garde: 5 Bianchi: 8 Chilton: 4
Vettel: 7 - Ducked out of qualifying because he couldn't get pole, but his race strategy nearly worked. Webber: 6 - RBR screwed him over in race and quali, but looked good up until he dived up the inside of Verne - threw away his race at that point. Alonso: 9 - Would have been 10 if he got pole, almost perfect. Massa: 5 - Went missing in what was the fastest race car. Button: 8 - Made the best of 2 stop strategy. Couldn't do much more. Perez: 5 - Off the pace all weekend - wondering whether Mclaren picked the wrong driver? Kimi: 9 - Did as well as he could. Out raced Hamilon for 2nd but couldn't quite match Alonso Grosjean: 5 - See Perez. Rosberg: 6 - Couldn't match Hamilton and wasn't in contention before retirement. Hamilton: 8 - Great pole but either he or the car couldn't match Alonso or Kimi with tyres and race pace, and a bit lucky to hold Vettel off on last lap. Hulk: 6 - Good points but its difficult to bench mark the car with how poor his team mate is, I think with Roseberg and Webber out he will be disapointed with 10th. Gutierrez: 3 - Just a poop pay drive, bring by Kobi. Di Resta: 6 - Outqualified Sutil but average at best. Sutil: 6 - Worst performance of 2013 for him but feel he would have out raced his team mate if not taken out. Maldonado: 5 - Better - he finished but racing against the Marussia? Bottas: 6 - Beat his team mate. Vergne: 7 - Would have got points but for Webber Ricciardo: 8 - Flattered in Q3 because of the non runners but a great quali result anyway followed up by accomplished race. Pic: 6 - Not sure where he stands right now. Vab der Garde: 4 - Blue flags? Bianchi: 8 - Easily the best of the bottom 4 and showed good pace. Chilton: 6 - Brought it home without incident (again)
Vettel: 7 - Difficult to judge due to Webber's quali and race being cut short Webber: 7 Alonso: 10 - peerless throughout great drive Massa: 6 - Faded after good Friday Button: 8 - Good job warming to him more and more after being annoyed by his excuses last season I have being impressed at how Jenson has just got on with it and got the best out of a bad situation Perez: 4 - Really needs to up his game Raikkonen: 9 - A proper championship contender well controlled race after a poor start Grosjean: 4 - Where has his 2012 pace gone? Hamilton: 9 Rosberg: 6 Hulkenberg: 7 Gutierrez: 3 Di Resta: 8 Sutil: 6 Maldonado: 6 Bottas: 5 Vergne: 6 Ricciardo: 9 - Finally an eye catching drive Pic: 7 Van Der Garde: 5 Bianchi: 7 Chilton: 6
They know nothing! Redbull: Vettel - 7, Raced well enough, Tyres again nearly helped him get a podium which, if honest don't think he would have deserved. Webber - 6, Qualifying wasn't his fault but the botched up overtake was, unfortunately RB messed him up again, overtake aside, had been racing well up until then and would have grabbed a decent haul of points. Ferrari: Alonso - 9, No perfect score, due to not putting it on pole and not having the fastest lap but other than that his race performance was sublime! Massa - 6, Decent enough in qualifying but his race performance was Massa Circa 2011 - Mid 2012! McLaren: Button - 8, Raced well, made the 2 stop strategy work superbly, onus is now on McLaren to give him a decent car! Perez - 4, Poor weekend all-round, below average qualifying, race and his weaving was not on! Lotus: Kimi - 8, Who knows what could have happened if he didn't suffer the nose damage the under/oversteer he would have got would no doubt have effected his performance as well as tyre management. Grosjean - 5, Anonymous in the race, which after last year I guess is a good thing but other than he did nothing! Mercedes: Rosberg - 6, A track he's good at he couldn't match Hamilton, was however hampered by car trouble during the race. Hamilton - 9, Great pole, race pace wasn't there but that wasn't his fault, lucky (and deserved) to hold off Vettel in the end for the final podium place. Sauber: Hulk - 7, Good weekend all round, hard to fault. Gutierrez - 3, Horrendous Force India: di Resta - 7, If he didn't whinge often, I think I could warm to him, he's actually a decent enough driver! Sutil - 6, Some signs of rust starting to show, hope he finds some form at Bahrain. Williams: Maldonado - 6, Car is poor, he finished a race at last but never threatened the points. Bottas - 7, Did well, car's lack of pace is not allowing his talent to shine. Torro Rosso: Vergne - 6, Poor qualifying but raced decent. Ricciardo - 8, Superb! Keep it up and he'll be in contention for the drive in the senior team. Caterham: Pic - 5, Meh Van der Garde - 3, Should not be in F1! Marussia: Bianchi - 8, He'll get a decent drive next year! Chilton - 5, See Van der Garde!
Red Bull: Vettel - 7 Webber - 6 Ferrari: Alonso - 9 Massa - 4 McLaren: Button - 8 Perez - 5 Lotus: Raikkonen - 8 Grosjean - 5 Mercedes: Rosberg - 6 Hamilton - 8 Sauber: Hulkenberg - 7 Gutierrez - 3 Force India: di Resta - 7 Sutil - 6 Williams: Maldonado - 6 Bottas - 7 Toro Rosso: Vergne - 6 Ricciardo - 8 Caterham: Pic - 6 - Raced very close to Bianchi for much of the race van der Garde - 5 Marussia: Bianchi - 7 Chilton - 5
Red Bull: Vettel - 7 Webber - 7 Ferrari: Alonso - 9 Massa - 6 McLaren: Button - 9 Perez - 6 Lotus: Raikkonen - 9 Grosjean - 5 Mercedes: Rosberg - 7 Hamilton -9 Sauber: Hulkenberg - 8 Gutierrez - 2 Force India: di Resta - 6 Sutil - 7 Williams: Maldonado - 6 Bottas - 6 Toro Rosso: Vergne - 8 Ricciardo - 9 Caterham: Pic - 8 van der Garde - 5 Marussia: Bianchi - 8 Chilton - 3
so gutierrez, a rookie, drives into someone and gets 2, Webber a veteran, does the same and gets a 7. how does that work exactly?
Vettel: 6 - Bottled quali; better in race but mistakes cost him at the end. Webber: 5 - His team let him down but even so, not very good. Alonso: 9 - A masterful performance. Massa: 6 - Slightly disappointing compared to his recent form. Button: 8 - Made the most of what he had. Perez: 5 - Failed to make most of what he had. Kimi: 8.5 - Very impressive despite dodgy start. Grosjean: 6 - Mediocre. Rosberg: 6 - I expected much better. Hamilton: 8.5 - Superlative in quali and struggled heriocally through the race. Hulk: 7 - Very impressive before his dodgy pit stop but faded later. Gutierrez: 4 - Bad weekend all-round. di Resta: 7 - Better than I expected; a solid drive.. Sutil: 5 - Disappointing. Maldonado: 6 - Better: is it just that the car's ****? Bottas: 6 - Same. Vergne: 7 - Would have got points but for Webber. Ricciardo: 9 - Finally, Daniel shows us what he can do. Pic: 6 Vab der Garde: 5 Bianchi: 8 - Chilton: 6
I might not agree with the exact numbers, but Gutierrez outbraked himself and ended someone's race. Webber made a bad call with going for the move, but Vergne should have realised that Webber was alongside and left room, not tried to take the apex. Poor decision from Webber and perhaps inexperience from Vergne combined to cause that one, Gutierrez was solely to blame for his accident.
Autosport ratings: - Not mine Vettel: 8 Webber: 5 Alonso: 10 Massa: 6 Button: 9 Perez: 3 Kimi: 9 Grosjean: 5 Rosberg: 6 Hamilton: 9 Hulk: 8 Gutierrez: 2 di Resta: 7 Sutil: 6 Maldonado: 7 Bottas: 7 Vergne: 6 Ricciardo: 9 Pic: 8 Vab der Garde: 6 Bianchi: 7 Chilton: 6
Vettel: 7 - Could of done better, should have qualified. Webber: 3 - Not his weekend Alonso: 10 - Perfect race and great qualifying. Overtook on track for the lead 4 times Massa: 6 - the first stop killed his race though I dont understand why he couldnt catch Hamilton and Raikkonen. Button: 9 - What else could he do? 1 point taken off for not 'fighting' hamilton too well. Perez: 2 - shockingly bad weekend. This isnt the Perez everyone was raving about. Kimi: 8 - the crash was his fault IMO without that and the bad start he could of challenged Alonso Grosjean: 5 - Where was he? Rosberg: 6 - The weekend had more potential but car had problems Hamilton: 9 - Great Qualy though couldnt keep up in the race. Suspected too much life taken from the tyres again. Hulk: 8 - Hulk does what esteban dont Gutierrez: 1 - And he replaced Koba di Resta: 7 - Paul did what he does best. hangs in ad picks up pieces. He was poor at his overtaking moves Sutil: 6 - was doing well no thanks to his team mate and Esteban Maldonado: 5 - This really isnt the Pastor of last year. Bottas: 6 - beat his team mate though looked in a pickle in Qualy Vergne: 6 - Read Dr Bellends orders loud and clear Ricciardo: 9 - star of qualifying, Produced a following good race this time Pic: 8 - prooving his experiance over VDG Vab der Garde: 6 - a rookie just learning Bianchi: 8 - <inlove> Chilton: 6 - see VDG
I still dont see how di Resta deserves more points. He nearly took them both out and if Sutil wasnt taken out he'd have easily beaten him. Paul just got very very lucky.. like usual
Vettel: 8 Webber: 5 Alonso: 10 Massa: 6 Button: 9 Perez: 4 Kimi: 8 Grosjean: 6 Rosberg: 5 Hamilton: 9 Hulk: 8 Gutierrez: 1 di Resta: 7 Sutil: 7 Maldonado: 6 Bottas: 6 Vergne: 6 Ricciardo: 9 Pic: 8 Van der Garde: 5 Bianchi: 8 Chilton: 6
outqualified Sutil for starters (again) Its a shame some cannot be fair with their rankings. The majority are and give high scores to drivers they have said in the past they don't like, but recognise if they have driven well. Others............... well............... bit childish.
Vettel: 7 A generally good drive but he became clearly rattled in his bid to catch Hamilton. He could have got him but 'red-mist'-like errors in the last lap proved very costly and deprived him of where he should have been: up there on the podium. Webber: 6 A very difficult weekend, which he'd do well to try to forget. Full of all manner of irritants and misfortune but I have to mark him lower than Vettel. Weekends like this, after the events of the previous race, can be enough to cause some to throw in the towel. Alonso: 9 A superb performance in what I believe was probably the best car this weekend. The Ferrari is very sensitive to changes in set-up and they managed their tyres well. But Alonso didn't put a foot wrong in what was far from a clear-cut race victory. Massa: 6 Difficult to justify anything higher, especially bearing in mind what I've just said above about the car he's driving. One wonders if he lost focus somewhere over the weekend, because it sure looked like it! Button: 9 An outstanding performance with a car which is way off the pace. To do it, he needed to show real intelligence and put aside the racer in him for this weekend; and as a racing driver, this is a very, very difficult mental calculation to get just right. Then again, perhaps we should not be too surprised he managed it so well. Perez: 4 Not good enough. I considered giving him a 3 but we should not forget he is up against one of the very best racers in F1. Räikkönen: 8 I can understand others giving a 9 but I do not see him as entirely innocent in busting his nose. He was lucky not to have suffered far greater damage, which would, I'm sure, have resulted in lower scores from this forum (and Autosport). Nevertheless, having survived it, what he did afterwards was superb. Grosjean: 5 Anonymous in the race. Not good enough in what is easily one of the best cars. Relative to other front runners, the Lotus is particularly gentle on tyres, and this weekend should really have seen both cars up at the front: they're right there with Ferrari, so I think Grosjean's performance was sub-standard, probably below that of Massa. Rosberg: 6 He wiped the floor with Schumacher here last year and had gained something of a reputation as a Shanghai specialist. Well, if that's the case, his team mate now owns the place! Hamilton: 9 A superb performance from the whole weekend. His single lap for Pole was absolutely outstanding. Tyre troubles were not of his making: he'd driven conservatively in order to maximise their preservation – exactly what he needed to do. Hulkenberg: 7 Pretty good performance. Almost gave him 8 but understand that we ought to avoid decimals here. Gutierrez: 2 A very poor show, capped off with a misjudgement right out of Schumacher's book. Almost gave him a '1'. di Resta: 7 Better than Sutil this weekend. Blame for the incident with his team mate should not be placed squarely or entirely on his doorstep. Sutil: 6 By his standards, he will see his Shanghai performance as lacklustre. However, he has some history there and might not have been as focussed as usual! Maldonado: 7 A much better performance; not that it could have been much worse than his previous 2013 outings. Bottas: 7 Good solid drive from a rookie. Vergne: 5 Still showing excusable inexperience but he needs to get better to be seen as one of 2013's best rookies. He was not entirely blameless in the Webber incident which suggested a lack of overall awareness. Having positioned his car wide on approach, it could appear to be an invitation (deliberate or not) to overtake, especially when this is the normal procedure for a Toro Rosso driver with a Red Bull coming up behind. In this sense, one can understand Webber's point of view. Ricciardo: 9 A superb qualifying performance and a very good race. Difficult to see any reason to award less. Pic: 7 Had a good race but not as good as Bianchi; therefore he gets a lower score. Van der Garde: 5 is average. No more to say. Bianchi: 8 Another impressive weekend. Chilton: 6 He did OK. He's a rookie up against one of the best new boys since Hamilton, who has also had longer to prepare. Button: He was entirely concerned with monitoring his race pace and knew that fighting Hamilton would not help his cause. This was an intelligent decision from both him and his race engineer. di Resta: You're probably referring to the incident with Sutil (which I do not think was di Resta's fault); but in my opinion, di Resta's overtake on Vergne was one of the most outstanding overtakes of the race. Vergne/Webber/Marko: It was such an obvious source for conspiracy theories that even Little Jack Horner saw it coming. He had plenty of time to consider how he would show irritation at the first journalist to present such an unmissable question. His dismissive handling of it was so well-rehearsed that presumably The Helmut gave him a toffee…
I noticed this too. he asked if was to fight, his engineer said yes but when it came to it he got mugged on turn 1 and it was an anti-climax. I look forward to Mclaren having a good car so we can see a better battle between these two! I just thought in the first 10 laps and many times in other races he tries to overtake on the grass because he doesnt read the move right. just a bit scrappy thats all.
I think the problem is we never know whether the radio transmissions are upto date - but it did seem that way didnt it.
