Exactly. And these twats have short memories. When Labour sent our boys into war they ill equipped them. Never forget listen to that 'traitor' the later disgraced 'Geoff Hoon' when he lied on national Radio saying our soldiers had the best equipment and the rumours of buying own stuff was rubbish. Then a soldier came on air and said he shared his bullets with other troops and that a soldier was killed because it wasn't his turn to wear the body armour that day. Mike Dicking of TalkSport went mad and called Hoon a 'liar'. People have short memories, especially those activists twats who do nothing but cause trouble. We were ill equipped in the Falklands due to cuts (especially the aircraft carrier Ark Royal that could carry the better planes) but we had little time to prepare then unlike the months/years labour had to sort things out. As I said she did things wrong but so has the rest.
Better place? Where? I grew up in London in the 70's and it was a nightmare. High crime, in fact the old lady next door to us got mugged 7 times and she was in her late 70's/80's. Never forget my Dad saying they killed her in the end. The schools were **** and we had 'lefty' teachers that were more interested in CND than the children. Power cuts when we were doing homework. Power cuts when we were eating, everytime to f### up peoples lives. Rubbish in the streets because of strikes that caused rat problems and not to bury the dead? You talk about human life, then look at what Blair has done or Saddam or Bin Laden or the rest of the crap around the world that call themselves democratic countries. You talk about death, well how many people died in mines and mine disasters? She probably saved lives if anything. And as for the communities crap I keep hearing? It's not just miners that have communities you know, for many years under different governments communities have been lost and created. Get over it, the mines were a thing of the past and it was only the 'lefty' unions that caused all the problems. How old was I? Old enough to understand what is right and what is myth and b######s and sadly when I see some 18 yr olds twunts smashing up the streets of London over 'Student fee's' or 'Poll tax' or 'Thatchers death' it makes me sick because they are not what this country is about.
I see you have avoided the question as to how old you were in 1979. Just answer the question and no bullshit.
Imaz, you and Ellers (and Col and Uber and a few others) are like fire and ice, not point getting into verbals on this stuff. I seem to be somewhere in the middle , like lukewarm water (yet another Spinal tap steal). There's no denying the strength of feeling on this, lets keep it civilzed lads. I was 18 in 1979 if its of any interest, and off the scale left wing. No denying I've shifted since then, but this event has certainly got me reassessing.
Agreed, you like myself have lived elsewhere for many years and have a somewhat more extensive understanding of politics and the history that drives them than the neanderthals on the far right. "so called democracies"
Why are you so interested in my age? I told you I went to school in the 70's in London. Just because you were 20 something in 1979 and I was a teen doesn't me I didn't understand what was going on? (you could know s### about politics and Thatcher for all I know). I am not say you do but you get my point. I wasn't around in Poland in 1939 when Germany invaded but doesn't mean I didn't know about it does it? You said I told you what I thought about it and that it wasn't that nice a place. As I said earlier she made mistakes like any other PM but was the best PM since Churchill.
Imaz, my friend, please do not presuppose that your life experiences are superior to those whom you do not know. The way your dialogue with SB appears to have progressed seems to imply that those recognising the virtues of Thatcherism are automatically "far right" and "neanderthals". May I ask why? I would also respectfully suggest that you read back through my posts on this thread as I have given some balance to my comments on Mrs Thatcher, something her detractors seemingly refuse to do.
For those with an interest in such things I recommend taking the Political Compass test: Www.politicalcompass.org/test This is something that I've done periodically over perhaps 5-7 years. They update the questions every so often to keep things relevant. Some may be surprised by the outcome. Despite the perception of me by some, I have consistently fallen into the top left-hand quadrant, albeit sufficiently close to the intersection of the axes to suggest that I'm neither left nor right; neither an authoritarian nor a libertarian. Frankly, I believe there are simply good decisions and bad decisions; why necessarily pigeonhole oneself?
I hadn't been born in 79 I came out in the 60s but I wasn't fully born until Christ touched me at the boys hospital for lads with **** for brains
Interesting and because I have lived here all my life, I don't know anything about my country and we are all Neanderthals on the 'far right'? sort of sums it up or maybe you.
No, I do not assume my experiences are superior or inferior than those of others nor do I link the supporters of Thatcher necessarily to the far right although it should be noted that there was a large transfer of the NF vote to the Tories in the '79 election. I do however strongly disagree with the so called democracies slur. Neither the US which lacks direct democracy nor the UK with its unelected upper chamber should go lecturing other nations on such matters. I have no problem with you or anyone voting Tory per se. It's the evil bastards on the far right...
Well tbh I don't assume people are because they have another opinion. As for democracy, I would rather be in our democracy (with its faults) than some of the s##t countries around the World who do nothing but cause problem after problem.
Great test Uber, though these things should always be taken with a touch of scepticism....lower left quadrant, not too far to the left but quite a long way down the libertarian scale (for which there is no role model, I notice). So I shifted a little to the right in 30 years...much less than I expected. Now I have to square this with working for an American multinational, taking all the benefits, and even sticking up for them in public ...and enjoying it. They need a new hypocrite quadrant. Apologies if I badged you or anyone else - unforgivable as I hate having assumptions made about me, especially based on what I post on here.....
I don't vote Tory, Imaz. I have no issue with an unelected Upper House. I rather like the concept of it being filled with people for whom it is deemed both an honour and a duty, so don't necessarily take issue with hereditary members. Ideally, for me it would be an apolitical House taking good decisions over bad. The prospect of an elected Upper House, with all the paraphernalia and biases of party political election makes my heart sink. So-called democracies slur? Help me with that one, please? Are you suggesting that the UK is not truly democratic because it uses and "first past the post" electoral system? The prospect of proportional representation equally demoralises me. Where we might agree, however, is that UK politics has become a stale beast, monopolised by career politicians of all persuasions and colours, leaving those remaining bothered to vote persuaded to tactically choose least-worst rather than cast out the whole rotten lot of them. That turnout typically floats around 40% says it all. It can also be little surprise that many young folk nowadays join lobbying and pressure groups rather than political parties. One final thought... What exactly is "far right". If your definition encompasses racialism, intolerance and violence, can we also agree that these are all often characteristics of the far left too? Was Stalin any better than Hitler?
No apology necessary, old bean. I did nearly spit out my apple strudel over my brown shirt and jackboots, though. Agree that the Compass is not the be all and end all, but serves as an interesting basis for a discussion.
