What for Frank? I started skim reading the posts as they were almost exclusively about Rio being a twat and how I was a twat for defending him (despite not defending him). Some people seem intent on just slagging Rio off, perhaps to deflect from the real issue, but that's not really of any interest to me.
Update: The FA release a statement The Football Association have this afternoon released a statement calling for England fans to cease controversial and racist chanting. With no video evidence available of English fans allegedly singing a racially offensive song about the Ferdinand brothers, Rio and Anton, the FA cannot act any further, but the governing body issued a series of stern warning to supporters over behaviour. "While we have no reason to dispute the media reports which are without doubt made for the right reasons of fighting racism, at this time we have not found any recorded evidence of the specific discriminatory chanting referring to Rio and Anton Ferdinand and the vile 'bonfire' song. "We will of course continue to review all of our recorded footage. "We will liaise with FIFA and work with them to assist any investigation. Should evidence of any racial chanting be found, we would expect action to be taken against any individuals. "The FA would terminate englandfans membership of any guilty members, while we would expect banning orders to be issued by the courts as a minimum penalty. "We will not accept any racist chanting and we also call on those attending England matches at home and abroad to stop the 'No Surrender' chanting during the singing of the national anthem, both before and during games." We'll ban 'bonfire' fans: FA to kick out England supporters guilty of vile Rio Ferdinand chant" From the Mirror: So there's no evidence, but the FA thanks FARE for rasing the subject (even though they weren't there or didn't actually hear anything themselves) and promises to kick the asses of anyone singing 'bonfire' songs. I wonder what their stance on *****philia and female circumcision are, as that never happened at an England game either.
Well You challenged Me sunshine, I gave you the respect of a reply. It didn't suit so you didn't return the favour except to one that you could continue YOUR Rio fixation. I'll not insult you further than you've got but, the rest are right. Your wind up has gone as far as it will go. Shame. But remember this one the next time you whine and gurn about being automatically called a WUM. You really didn't help yourself.
I've asked you were the evidence is for stating that the only reason Anton was sung about too was racism. As i said on the Chelsea post, my theory is that England fans are furious with him for being the brother of a player found guilty of breaking E3(2) and not having decency to condemn him for racially abusing one of England's most all time capped players. You might say it's a **** theory, but it's got as much going for it in terms of evidence as your racism theory that's backed by someone who thinks it's okay for some people to call black persons choc-ices, coconuts and '******s'.
OK Frank. Feel free to add to the insults, it really doesn't bother me! As for my Rio fixation, I can only assume you're skim reading as well!
So they dislike Anton for being the brother of someone who is a racist but have no sympathy for him being the victim of a racist? So do they like or loathe racists?
You'd have to ask them. I didn't say i had any evidence, just a 'feeling'. It won't keep Powar or ouseley in their well upholstered sinecures (or Holt in his hysterical, sensationalist headlines) but it's got as much going for it as their theory.
Because 1) he isn't a well known person, 2) he isn't a football player and 3) he hasn't been in the headlines. Surely you can see why the point you've made there is entirely irrelevant? Yes, we sang about the Nevilles because they played for a rival and there was antagonism there. Likewise there was antagonism between Rio and the England fans. In regards to your central paragraph, you seem to be confusing England fans with Liverpool fans. The former support a variety of clubs. So that guff about Liverpool fans and Hodgson holds no water. The fact you actually switch from talking about England fans to Liverpool fans mid-sentence suggests you lost sight of what point you were trying to make - or chose to make a point without any effort to back it up. People on this forum think Rio is a cock based on his United antics. Hodgson has no part in that. Likewise, Rio's decision not to play for England is allegedly based on his fitness schedule. So again, nothing to do with Hodgson. I'm largely indifferent to Rio, as I am most pro footballers. Also, when you say 'victims of racial abuse', who are you referring to? Anton? Not proven in (a real) court. Rio? Not even a case to be made. And even so, criticising alleged victims of racial abuse isn't racist, is it? Just as criticising the victims of rape doesn't mean you promote rape. Everyone involved in that case handled themselves poorly. The fact that you see things so cut and dried (John Terry must be 'a racist' because he allegedly made a racist comment once) suggests that I'll have little luck debating with you, but I'll try anyway. You've jumped to several conclusions in your post that are not based on any currently established facts. So much of this issue is based on ifs and maybes - it's even doubted that the song was sung by many people - so to come out and pin your colours to either mast is a mistake.
Funny how you know how much I insult you when you're only skim-reading posts. I do tend to place the insults amongst my well founded arguments and that might suggest to those of us with a suspicious nature that you actually do read the posts but can't formulate valid responses. Let's be honest here NOF I've offered plenty of substance whether you agree with it or not. If you read my posts (that's reading not just skimming for personal affronts) you'll see plenty of opinion that for some reason you seem keen to avoid debating. I have scattered some long posts with the occasional observation about your idiocy. Yet you focus on the perceived insults which in reality are second to the real argument here and that is your insistence that "The chanting wasn't racist but the motivation behind incorporating Anton Ferdinand into the chant certainly was" and that this is just about bitter Liverppol fans"Most footballers come across as pretty loathsome and Rio has won far too much with United for any Liverpool fan to like him". These are the things I've clearly taken issue with (all your words not mine) and clearly offered something of substance to counter those claims. Feel free to back up these arguments of yours at some point this week if you feel you can
Anyone else suspect this maroon is actually Oliver Holt typing from his hotel room 3000 miles away in Dubai? Whatever, he's eminently qualified to sit on the next 'independent' FA panel with the conclusions he jumps to.
Read the Chelsea thread and this thread. Never seen someone shift about their argument to the point of total self confusion so much before. Probably, Maybe, might, should, could It's about Rio, no wait, Anton, no wait Terry, no wait Liverpool fans, no wait, it's about Chelsea\England fans. over both threads he's been all over the place and just says "you are not reading what I said without one decent counter argument whatsoever at all in both threads and I do not doubt He believes the likes of Holt for one minute. What is a fact is that Rio Ferdinand is diluting football's attempts to get rid of Racism
Just skim read a few posts. The majority still raging about Rio. Funny old game. For the benefit of whoever said Joel Cantona wasn't a footballer, he was. Ta.
Sick of both those ****ers. Hate the fact football is now a playground for politics and one upmanship. Its supposed to be a sport. No brainers like the Ferdinand's creating public debate is just laughable.
The reason you bang on rears its head. You couldn't care about Anton but seeing as your Rio arguments were shredded like cancelled contracts in the city you jumped from one dodgy pillar to the other and just ended up making dominoes
Do you keep skim reading past the bit where you're asked to produce evidence for you assertion (and Holt's too) that you're 'certain' Anton was included in the chants -that the FA now admit they have no evidence actually happened in the first place- on the basis of racism? And any Cantona is okay with me after he did a benefit for Hillsborough.
Don't ban him again b4f he's way too entertaining This thread will be trotted out for a while due to the completely one-sided roasting of NOF. Plus it's keeping us yoofs off the streets I'm sure we can all agree that Rio would approve that.
