This is happening to Hull City now – therefore we’re legitimately outraged. If it happens to another club – I`ll condemn it but yes, it’s unlikely I`ll be hopping on a train to City X to protest. This doesn`t dampen or dismiss my legitimate outrage and right to protest on this occasion and raising awareness/attacking it on the Internet (or forum warrioring as you call it) can actually help or haven`t you noticed the influence of this form of media on contemporary life? So, what you doing about it?
Me? I'm doing the most important thing. Parking my car up in a frigging services area. Getting on a bus. Supporting my team. This is an outrage, I agree, but, come the day after, no one on here will give a ****. Unless some arseholes actually go and prove WYP right. No one will care otherwise. Especially if we're in the PL next season. Especially if this happens to another team. A lot of angry rhetoric and vitriol has been typed out on these and other forums over the last few weeks, and considering the best approach was always through legal or political means, and we've had small concessions, and caused as much legal and political trouble as we can for WYP who will have to be very careful going forwards, I think supporting our team is now at the top of the priority list. We've made our point, now we need 3 points.
I'm with you Clapper, all this bollocks about feeling ashamed of supporting the team! Some people clearly haven't been to many games, most of us who've followed the team a long while to away games will be well use to police segregation, buses cordoned and escorted, its nothing new, get over yourselves and do what matters..... I posted a question on the Huddersfield board and its clear no one else gives a ****! All that will matter is who walks away with the points, Huddersfield have a fully fit squad for this game, Beckford and Scannel are back my mate reckons that after beating Leeds they'll give us a game.
Please stop justifying yourself and then you will probably stop people saying you should be ashamed of yourself.As you say-get over yourself .My suggestion in future is not to start a thread like this one(twice) if you do not want people to possibly disagree with you.I think this is a forum and it is the stuff of forums to have debate and come up with other ways of thinking and doing.
You keep saying you want everyone to boycott. Well explain why going to the game is such a problem and I'd happily re-consider if it's a convincing argument.
IST-I think we would have more chance of being effective if we have an undivided protest. Divide and Conquer principle. Nobody knows if we will be succesful in changing future police decisions.I have it on good authority that other forces are watching with keen interest(and most apparently think wyp,and their spokesperson in particular)have cocked up. Promotion within the police requires a record of non poor decisions rather than brilliant ones and one crap one.For this reason many will be wary of a reflex punitive decision like this one. For the officer concerned this will be(it already is)his Phil Brown moment. Others will be wary of doing the same in future IF we can put on a BIG protest. An empty away end(after banners have been put in place) would make a larger statement than 300-500 in the stand.Add some of those to the protest march and it will obviously be more newsworthy for the cameras. This is our one chance to stand up for ourselves and for fans across the country. If we had been involved in scenes like those between Leeds and Millwall I would support severe restrictions.If left unchecked there would be a grave danger of didaster in a real sense.Historically there has been no major violrnce in Huddersfield when we have been there that I am aware of. I know there is a risk of a few of our daft lads having a go with some of theirs but honestly if you think the stuff written in the psychos book was anything but adolescent bigging up......? In summary IST I think we will be effective as a united protest and much less so of we are divided. I also think our players are much more savvy than some have given them credit for.I am sure the manager will have them playing their hearts out for the missing fans.I know I would if I was a player. I realise that the banners may be removed from the empty stand but I would hope Peter Levy and his mates could get good footage of their removal(preferably after the exodus of the fans from the stadium coming to join in the fun in town
On this point, as someone raised it earlier as well, I'd expect the players to know exactly what's going on. If they don't then there's going to be some funny looks when they get asked to put on the fans not criminals t-shirts during the warm up.
Sorry Cafe. I have to disagree. There will not be a sea change in the policing of football matches, because of banners displayed, fans in stands or not. Policing policies will change only due to two factors cost and incidents. WYP have made an error and it will now cost them more. Just like when a ref issues a yellow too early WYP have made a low risk match a high risk fixture. Other forces will sit back and watch and learn. That's all.
Does anyone really believe that Sky/WYP will allow any 'controversial' banners to be displayed???? Dream on!
with you as well .. its gone on too long now and people are forgetting 3 points at stake .. ( 3 vital points might I add ) ... or is this whole debacle worth more than 3 pts towards the premier league ?
It's worth pretty much the future of the football experience and support at future games. Seeing it as a one off is short sighted and naive. Any guarantees the people going will make the difference between getting and not getting three points?
Yep, absolutely. it already has and will do more. If nothing else, we've learned as a group and as a club and will be far better prepared if/when it's tried again. If we'd all just rolled over and let our bellies get rubbed, the future would be far, far bleaker. I'm guessing you're not so confident you can secure the three points by going? No worries, it's not a surprise.
Ok, But will it be carried on after the Huddersfield game ! Will Hull City fans be marching for all clubs ! And miss there own team play to get the point across ! I agree to the point you are trying to get across, But feel there is too much animosity just on this thread with what people do and do not want to do ! For me i feel we have done great up to now with political moment. (Thanks DMD for the links and pointing in the right direction) As for the march not my thing. And fear what might come of it ! So for me go to the game enjoy the moment and get behind the tigers and get them massive 3 points UTT
1) Yes, with the various fans groups and links forged with the Club. 2) Possibly, if asked and as has happened in the past.
Melu.The impact will be NOT on this occasion but I can assure you the other police forces are taking note and taking the piss.They are aware that this match has now been upgraded and will require moitoring from on high.Some very senior people will remember the guy who messed up their bank holiday when he comes up for promo. You can trust vested interest in hierarchical(?) structures.I know a few senior police and have to say I like them.They obviously have to operate with alot more tact than we give them credit for.They are also aware of the effect, of a well publicised protest against what they do,to their career prospects. THis will now cost a good deal of extra money to control than it would have without the bubble. I strongly suspect the singers will be missing from the away end and from my meagre experiences of playing in front of crowds it is the noise that spurs you on. I sing virtually every song at the KC and I do not Know any of the guys near me who are going.So it could be interesting for us to hear the tiger roar when we are in the pubs with the Udders(my new football brothers) I am also taking a couple of bits of city memorabilia to give to the first 2 Lester fans I see(that does take bottle imo) This is for the future fixtures I want to go to with all the Tiger Nation
1. No it will not. 2. Noone from our club was bothered when this has happened in the past, they won't be bothered if it doesnt affect us directly in the future. The points have been made, either there will be changes, or there won't, boycotting the game will not affect any future bubble decisions.
