1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

What is Progress?

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by luvgonzo, Mar 20, 2013.

  1. Zingy

    Zingy #ziggywould

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    19,854
    Likes Received:
    3,299

    I read the OP. :bandit:
     
    #21
  2. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    124,205
    Likes Received:
    30,151
    ok so for the original point.

    Progress is not really measured in cup runs. I looked back at a few points in our previous managerial regimes and found that true progress will relate to key signings that are men who deliver, not pussies who bottle it frankly.

    Take houllier... hyppia and hammann made his team and we "progressed" by delivering.

    Rafa... alonso frankly.. moving carra to CB etc.

    we need men not boys now.

    we need to go from a side teams fancy a result against to a team nobody wants to play and that can be done in the stoke way or the swansea way... and rodgers promised this himself. Its very clear its not delivered. But if he is clear i nthe goal and signs well in the summer great but if he buys more of the type of allen, borini and such (he basically raided his swansea list which was a huge error)

    MEN take the field knowing they need to and will work, everyone is aligned on delivering the work and as a result there is trust to make runs and someone steps in.. there are no floundering, introverted, on my won type of performances.

    I simply have seen for far far too long LFC play like kids, I want us to sign tough hard men not soft weak willed boys (like downing <laugh>)

    Get us a hyppia, an alonso and another suarez and then we'll progress.. football is that simple.... however we must also then look to the drive behind the wheel. Utd kill all other rivals off cos the man at the helm gets hard work each and every game and when it dips he rages at them. WIll rodgers rail at his players and give them a right rocket. Are they going to sit down after southampton and get a verbal bashing and get the hell kicked out fo them this week?

    thats the measure. any team can have a bad day but the next 3 better be damned hot.
     
    #22
  3. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    109,130
    Likes Received:
    68,949
    I didn't mention cup runs in the OP? The main point was that players need to start playing for the shirt and take every game as just as important as the next and that it's not really players that make the difference but mentality.
     
    #23
  4. BCR

    BCR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    23,258
    Likes Received:
    744
    At this point, I really want us to get much much better in the league. A cup run here and there is always great but we need to up everything that we do in the league.
     
    #24
  5. Zingy

    Zingy #ziggywould

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    19,854
    Likes Received:
    3,299
    Progress is measured in cup runs if you're MFG. :bandit:

    #Startanotherleavingthread
     
    #25
  6. RytErtie

    RytErtie Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2013
    Messages:
    92
    Likes Received:
    7
    Getting a europa league place would be progress.

    A realistic aim would be champions league place within 3 years, challenging for title within 5 would be a great job done.
     
    #26
  7. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    109,130
    Likes Received:
    68,949
    Hoping for CL sooner. Fingers crossed. Welcome to the board.
     
    #27
  8. RytErtie

    RytErtie Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2013
    Messages:
    92
    Likes Received:
    7
    Hoping and realism is different though. Just cant see getting top 4 next year. So, so far off this season and thats with Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs being pretty poor. They should all improve too. The year after perhaps if continue improving, then into the CL for the year after. From then on - the skys the limit!

    Thankyou, its a good read <ok>
     
    #28
  9. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    109,130
    Likes Received:
    68,949

    I'm a bit of a dreamer so will continue hoping, thanks for the replies hope you stick around.
     
    #29
  10. As he left? Did Billy scare him away? I don't recall seeing a thread...:huh:
     
    #30

  11. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2011
    Messages:
    29,130
    Likes Received:
    7,824
    Fair point but we've been poor as well...
     
    #31
  12. Welshred

    Welshred Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2011
    Messages:
    440
    Likes Received:
    6
    Like you say its been a bit 2 steps forward one step back. It would be hard to say he's done better thAn Dalglish last season given we were in 2 cup finals, won a trophy and finished 8th. Where as this season we are only 7th and 3 points better off than same stage last year despite being knocked out of everything pretty early. Also dalglish quAlified for europe and it doesnt look like we will this year. Given all this I'd have to say we are worse off so no progress since last season.

    That said we have got better in the league as the season has gone on and on the whole we are playing decent football and scoring more goals. I think if rodgers can strengthen the defence and add a bit of physical strength to the teAm we will do well next year. He needs to start taking the cup competitions seriously though, trying to get top 4 is all well and good but he needs to win trophy.
     
    #32
  13. ChelseaCOE2012

    ChelseaCOE2012 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2012
    Messages:
    2,915
    Likes Received:
    1,240
    Progress = leaving Liverpool
     
    #33
  14. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    109,130
    Likes Received:
    68,949
    Didn't really work for Torres?
     
    #34
  15. ChelseaCOE2012

    ChelseaCOE2012 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2012
    Messages:
    2,915
    Likes Received:
    1,240
    Yeh it did, he won the CL + Fa cup in his first full season
     
    #35
  16. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2011
    Messages:
    57,478
    Likes Received:
    9,840
    Hi. You've popped up here as well. You obviously have a bit of a thing for us Reds <ok>
     
    #36
  17. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    109,130
    Likes Received:
    68,949
    He sat around sulking and doing **** all the team around him won the trophies.

    Seriously why you on here snarling and talking crap? Bored I suppose?
     
    #37
  18. ChelseaCOE2012

    ChelseaCOE2012 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2012
    Messages:
    2,915
    Likes Received:
    1,240
    Yeh i do respect Liverpool, you deserve and should be in the CL and hope we go back to the sky four again soon or you take Arsenals place
     
    #38
  19. ChelseaCOE2012

    ChelseaCOE2012 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2012
    Messages:
    2,915
    Likes Received:
    1,240
    Yeh i know he has been ****, is ****, and will still be **** but just saying <laugh> i swear every quality player that leaves Liverpool gets cursed afterwards, well mainly strikers!

    And you don't know what day it is today do you <laugh>
     
    #39
  20. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    109,130
    Likes Received:
    68,949
    Thursday?
     
    #40

Share This Page