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  1. jayc89

    jayc89 Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully it will attract the right kind of attention.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21755034

    Residents on the Orchard Park estate in Hull say this is one of the hardest places in the UK to find a job. The statistics back their theory up.

    This city has the highest number of people claiming jobseeker's allowance in the UK. And Orchard Park is in its most deprived ward.

    Around a table in the local community centre I find mother, father, daughter and son all looking for work. In Hull unemployment can be a family problem.

    "I am tired of living off benefits and struggling," says Kevin Edge.

    At one time he served in the Army but now he says he is unable to find any work.

    "It does feel like I'm smashing my head against a brick wall. I ended up on tablets because of the stress.

    "If they said there was a job sweeping the streets I would go and do it tomorrow."

    Going without
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    In Kingston-upon-Hull North, which includes Orchard Park, 8.2% of people are on jobseeker's allowance
    The UK average is 4.7%
    Map: Find jobless rates in your area
    He is not the only member of the family to feel disillusioned after a series of job rejections.

    They insist that dozens of people apply for every position that is advertised.

    "I'm after factory work or painting and decorating, but there is nothing," says his stepson Geoffrey Whitaker, who is just turning 20.

    He has been claiming unemployment benefits for more than three years.

    "I have tried everywhere. There is just nowt there."

    There is a clear family spirit and they talk about lending each other money to help out.

    But there are moments when they all become clearly emotional as they consider the difficulties of living on the dole.

    "It is the small things," says Geoffrey's mother Coleen.


    Son Geoffrey, 20, has been looking for work for three years
    "The children will ask can I have this Mum or Dad. And I'll say, 'No, you can't', because you can't afford to give them it."

    And there is one question that upsets Coleen more than any other: How does it feel to see her children facing the reality of long-term unemployment?

    As she considers her answer she falls silent, puts her head in her hands and starts to cry.

    "She worries day in and day out about where the next piece of money is coming from," says her husband Kevin as he puts his arm around Coleen to comfort her.

    Dependency culture
    Outside at the weekly car boot sale there is evidence that many people are worried about cash.

    A steady stream of people walk past the stalls into the community centre, however, relatively few stop to make a purchase.

    According to one of the stallholders they are not coming here for the bargains. Instead, it is the opportunity to stay warm in the centre rather than facing the cost of heating their home for the afternoon.

    "They haven't got money, not on the estates," insists Rick Canham who is selling DVDs and computer games.


    Christine Anderson does not want to have to rely on the dole, she wants to work
    "Even the market has gone because people were not spending their money."

    A large number of households here are reliant on benefits. And there are some who feel that more needs to be done to encourage people out of the so-called welfare trap.

    "We have got to take tiny steps to unravel the dependency culture," insists Sherilee Jepmond who has lived in Orchard Park all her life.

    She was made redundant, but was determined to get back into employment for the sake of her son.

    "When I became unemployed I thought what am I going to do.

    "And I went to university and I got a degree. I gave my son the work ethic."

    Education and training are big issues in areas like Hull. Job advisers have said that there are hundreds of unfilled vacancies in the city, but the applicants are not qualified to fill them.

    'Degraded'
    In the estate's lottery-funded job club there are many who feel the odds are stacked against them.

    And they are angry at the suggestion that they are happy to sit on benefits.

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    "I feel degraded going down to the job centre and signing on every fortnight just for a bit of money," says Christine Anderson as she looks through the job ads.

    "If I could work and get a job I would come off the dole."

    Most say they have been on training schemes and secured short-term contracts, but what they really want is a permanent position.

    John Platten, who used to work building caravans, says in recent months he has submitted between 60 and 80 applications for jobs and he has not had a single response.

    "The frustration is that for what jobs there are, they aren't offering enough hours for a family to be able to live on," claims John.

    "The caravan industry - it's starting to take off a bit now but with the recession about 15,000 people lost their jobs from the industry.

    "With that many people losing their jobs, everybody is trying to get back in there."

    Role models
    Some are staking their hopes on plans for a new shopping centre in Orchard Park.

    However, all accept that attracting and keeping any jobs those shops might bring will depend on the economy improving.


    Gareth Dale wants to set a good example to his children by getting a job
    "We have had a lot of redundancies in both the private and public sector in the last year to two years, so yes it is increasingly hard," admits Pam Cavanagh, who is managing director of Latitude which runs the job club.

    "It is difficult, and it is difficult to keep the motivation going, to keep applying for jobs where there are hundreds of people going for each job.

    "Generally the economy needs to generate more jobs."

    Back in the community centre there are people desperate to be seen as a working role model for their children.

    Gareth Dale is training to be an instructor at the gym they have just set up inside the centre, with the help of lottery and other funding.

    For Gareth it offers an opportunity out of unemployment.

    "I want my kids to get a job," he says. "They're going to look up at me hopefully and think he is doing something with his life instead of being a bum."

    That determination is needed in an area where just getting a job is hard work.
     
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  2. Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC

    Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC Well-Known Member

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    Yes - Hull is probably hard when it comes to finding work. But OPE? What, precisely, are the places offering jobs on the estate? The council built the estates as places to live/sleep. Few shops, few pubs, but work-places?
     
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  3. Tiggaz4Life

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    Hull is a very difficult place to find work, but then most places are that are geographically and economically peripheral (outside the main motorway corridors). On the plus side rent prices are a hell of a lot cheaper than a lot of other parts of the UK where wages are similar. Hull is quite a sprawl of a city when you consider the population is only 250-300 thousand, so living in North Hull Estate, Orchard Park etc must be a ballache of a commute. The bus prices have risen considerably as well since I lived there.

    I think an obvious part of the problem is that a lot of working class lads want traditional working class jobs. One of the interviewees in this piece mentioned taking a job as a street sweeper or factory work. Those kind of jobs are hard to find, more often than not seasonal or part-time. Most permanent jobs for people without qualifications or skills are ****e call centre jobs, which I think most who have experienced them will agree are pretty terrible.

    If my local history knowledge serves me right, most of the people moved to North Hull used to live in areas close to the docks and worked as dockers or fishermen. The powers that be and the so-called "invisible hand" of the market have utterly failed to find a solution to the loss of those industries, hence the generational unemployment and dependency culture on some of the estates. And I think it goes without saying that the present Government couldn't give a toss about Hull or the north in general.

    It's a ****ty situation.
     
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  4. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    At least son Geoffrey's not going hungry is he.
     
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  5. originalminority

    originalminority Well-Known Member

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    Not the best publicity but we don't want to be the forgotten city either and sweep our problems under the carpet. Fair play to the BBC for getting up here and highlighting employment problems in Hull. Proper news story not some lazy channel 4 documentary on crap towns.
     
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  6. Stuart Blampey

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    Kevin McNamara and now Diana Johnson's fiefdom.

    Factor in a bit of Terry Geraghty and you have a recipe for economic stagnation, tribal voting and steady decline.
     
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  7. Newland Tiger

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    Austerity doesn't work does it , completely failed policy when we need to be kick-starting the economy , it's not just Orchard Park or Hull
     
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  8. Chilton's Hundreds

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    You could replace the word 'Hull' for just about any other major city/town in the UK, and include huge swathes of Europe for that matter.

    We don't manufacture anyway near enough in Europe - most of it has gone East.

    No jobs = poverty.

    At the moment, many Western countries are hanging on trying to preserve standards of living that we cannot afford.
    Governments have huge debts that are only serviceable due to historically low interest rates.

    The **** is going to hit the fan at some point, whether it's a global depression or a major war.

    I could talk all night about this but it just makes me depressed......
     
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  9. Chilton's Hundreds

    Chilton's Hundreds Well-Known Member

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    Austerity is the wrong word. All we've seen are cuts of 5-6% of a Government budget of around £700b.

    The deficit is falling slightly but the debt is growing every year.

    REAL austerity would be the Government balancing the budget every fiscal year. Income £580b Expenditure £580b but we'd
    see unrest on the streets if this were the case.....
     
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  10. Erik

    Erik Well-Known Member

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    What I find depressing is that it costs £5.70 for a return bus ticket from Beverley to Hull, when it's 8 miles down the road. How can public transport be more expensive than private transport FFS?!
     
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  11. BrAdY

    BrAdY Well-Known Member

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    Yup, pretty disgusting, same with the trains
     
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  12. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Bus ****er
     
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  13. Happy Tiger

    Happy Tiger Well-Known Member

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    Heh, that was my initial thought.

    Oooh fook me, you're on fire Chazzmundo!
     
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  14. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    No offence to anyone who lives there, but OPE is pretty grim.

    Personally, I find the fact that that we have lads in the services coming back and finding no work deeply depressing, particularly as we have so many lads locally who join the services.

    They deserve better.
     
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  15. Happy Tiger

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    Orchard Park has never been that pretty, although back in the 60/70s it wasn't that bad I guess. Not sure how much rosey tints and memory just fading affects what I remember tbh.

    Sad thing is, there's areas and things like this all over the country, and like someone says up a bit, fair play to the BBC for reporting on it well too.

    When they run things like this London, like they recently did with kids not being able to read (in the Metro paper), there was a massive response to it. Sadly, there won't be that sort of reaction in Hull, which makes the charitable actions of people like the Allams all the more precious.

    I agree it's sad that soldiers/airmen/seamen not being able to find work is depressing, but that's a fact of life in areas like Hull. If they want work, they have to move, or start up a business. It might not be fair, but that's the hard reality of it.
     
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