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70 minute wonders.

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by moreinjuredthanowen, Mar 3, 2013.

  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I must say that Countinho did great yesterday as he was unfit when he arrived. The kid worked and worked and worked even right up to when he was taken off.

    Now i've made the point about gerrard so many times that if he'd put that elvel of effort in over 70mins and got taken off LFC would be better off. Ok yesterday he didn't need to did he? but i just think sometimes when games are coming thick and fast he's got to start seeing sense and come on off and not play all 90mins every week. theres a place and time for 90mins from gerrard and spurs is it isn't it?

    anyway... the young lad was all in but delivered big time in his 70mins. sometimes a player needs to be minded is what i think.
     
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  2. Flappy Flanagan (JK)

    Flappy Flanagan (JK) Well-Known Member

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    I agree. But look at our bench. The midfield options were not much defensively and a clean sheet was important. Henderson was already on, that left us with Shelvey and Suso. I suppose Henderson could sit next to Lucas with Allen in font and Suso wide.
     
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  3. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    Gerrard is doing fine playing 90 minutes. I don't see the problem. He has played every minute of the league campaign so far and he still looks as fresh and as able to contribute to the team as anyone else on our team and even anyone else in the league.
     
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    Flappy Flanagan (JK) Well-Known Member

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    Plus early in the season he often only played on week ends.

    Rodgers rests players in training instead. Every player has an individually assigned number of training hours.
     
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  5. Simple... Suso / Assaidi on and drop Allen / Henderson back. Or bring Wisdom on and push Enrique forward meaning Allen / Henderson can drop in.
     
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  6. Zingy

    Zingy #ziggywould

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    These two. <ok>
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    don't really agree as the evidence in result and certain games points to a different story.

    Ok yesterday gerrard could stand round and have a cuppa too boot... and he did use his experience in the second half to just manage the result.... we are where we are right now (7th) and i think still one factor has to be thought about and thats us fading in games.
     
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  8. Ze

    Ze Well-Known Member

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    Scanned the article, and very nearly merged it with the Coutinho one! Near miss there...
     
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    Redbrynner Well-Known Member

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    I wouldnt have been worried about us bringing Suso on yesterday after 70 minutes.

    4-0 up, infact i couldnt think of a better time to bring a young lad on.
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    coutinho... really put it all in so i was impressed by that more than anything. the rest is hard to tell as wigan were awful. you'd think the kids got something alright ;)

    gerrard... the point is moot seeing its one game per week max.. the point is about the past and future. next season he needs to be told i'd rather have a top class 70mins than a controlled 90 cos gerrard at full tilt can be as good as ever....

    mind you having said that lucas needs to imprve his stamina over the next months for next year and that'll help.

    Allen needs to go away and think on it cos he was piss poor. he'd not have got 70 from me.

    benayuon used to give s 70mins or 20mins depending and whined about it.. since then he's done nothing... i just think not everyone can be kuyt or henderosn and run for ever. I do agree we need options but think on this... just perhaps a few more 20min cameos would mean some of the guys we do have would be more ready.
     
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    Zingy #ziggywould

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    He hasn't played badly in any of his 1st team appearances. I want to see a little more of him.
     
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  12. I wouldn't say he hasn't played badly in any of them but he has been good a lot more than bad. He was harshly sacrificed in the first half a time or two too.
     
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  13. BringBackfootie

    BringBackfootie New Member

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    Showtinho has one thing on his mind, Attack and quickly.

    We need more of his attitude instead of lumbering forward with 5 million passes.

    I definitely wanna see more of this lad, he's gotta be a starter every game where possible

    Who last found a player with a cross into the box that ended up in a headed goal?
     
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    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    There's got to be irony in that it was Downing on the end of the cross :D
     
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  15. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    too true. downing did nothing else in the game bar back pass. his one run to the byeline was a floated cross that was far too deep. It'll be very interesting to see what rodgers does if sturridge is ready for spurs.

    the kid or downing?
     
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  16. danilo.

    danilo. Well-Known Member

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    We already know the answer to that one. And it will bite us. Coutinho, Suarez, and Sturridge NEED to start together. Forget Downing.

    He scored and then did absolutely FA for the rest of the match. One backpass and that's all I remember. It's not the attitude needed from a player who magically gets on the team sheet every week.

    Gerrard, Lucas, and Henderson need to start against Spurs too. Behind - Agger, Skrtel, Glen and Enrique. Carragher was alright yesterday but so defensive, and it almost cost us. Dodgy backpasses and the ball would not leave the defense for a minute. That's not his fault but I still say we play better with Skrts. Carra will break a hip trying to contain Bale as well.
     
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  17. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    well in fairness to him he made one run to the byeline then put a bad cross in and cut in a couple times firing it against a defender... he spent the entire time with his back to gaol laying it right back rather then opening himself p to go forward.... which is one big reason we lost the fa cup final last year.. i called it negative and introverted then and its the same today on the opposite wing.

    But is spurs a bridge too far for young coutinho? will he come on or not.. will sturridge be ready?

    I totally agree BTW with every pick you make, it seems obvious to me but skertl seems to be persona non grata now and henderson is dropped very 5 mins and the son rodgers never had comes in. the only 3 players anyone would dispute are carragher, downing and allen and frankly thats cos there's not that many options! However carragher has done "ok" the goals conceeded are no better or worse than before.... allen is a joke he falls over so much and downing is so predictable. I really think they'll start unless something happens like sturridge is out.
     
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  18. danilo.

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    Downing's presence does many negative things to the team. First, the team is more selfish when he plays. I've noticed they would rather keep the ball than give it to him at times, because he'll just pass it back or cross it poorly. Suarez in particular knows that once Downing gets a pass from him, he can count on at least 30 seconds until he gets it back.

    Remember, Coutinho's played for Inter Milan and Espanyol - he's used to big matches. He's no 18 year old Brazilian from a B league. He'll definitely be ready.

    As for Carragher, he hasn't done poorly. Skrtel should not have been dropped at all, period. But since we don't have adequate cover Carragher has done the best he can. It hasn't stopped us from conceding (showing that Skrtel shouldn't have been dropped) but he's done well to keep the standard from dropping.

    Allen is alright. I don't rate him over Henderson though and our game is not one that needs an Allen type at the moment. Hendo surely needs to start - he's earned it hasn't he?

    It looks like we really agree on this MITO.
     
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  19. BringBackfootie

    BringBackfootie New Member

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    Just a tad Frank.<ok> He's so good he makes Downing a top striker.<laugh>

    If only Downing could pass the ball when he cuts in instead of his ineffectual shots he takes so often. He does the good work and wastes it, who on earth is telling Downing to shoot so often instead of little clever chips to the back post or passes, jebus qrist
     
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