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Henry Winter and sports journalism

Discussion in 'Norwich City' started by CarlaCanary, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. CarlaCanary

    CarlaCanary Member

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    I think Henry Winter is an excellent journalist who writes well and is very insightful on most of what he writes on.

    However, particularly this season, I think his standard has dropped. He is constantly writing about Manchester United, Chelsea or Manchester City.

    He has done a few articles on Swansea, many on QPR and what seems like none on Norwich City. The same can be said for many other national paper journalists. This disappoints me. I really like the Swansea system and the way they play so they deserve all the credit they get but the same cant be said for QPR - two wins this season (I think) in the Premier League, which is awful.

    I know we have been playing boring football, but we have been doing reasonably well as whole this season and I heard nothing during our 10 game unbeaten run.

    Henry Winter has also suddenly become far more interested in Lambert despite the fact he is doing worse with Villa than he did with us.

    It's interesting how the media can twist things. As has been said on here, if Norwich win against Everton it's an unbeaten run of 4 or 5, alternatively it can be seen as first win in however many games. You can make the team look good or bad.

    The same can be done with Berbatov. Last season at United he had the best goals per minute ratio but that can be measured to be negative in terms of the number of games he played. In the weekend's game Fulham had 7 shots to our 15. That could be interpreted as Berbatov having a quiet game. But I feel he had a very good game despite playing deep. He was involved in a lot of Fulham's play in terms of passing, keeping the ball and defending (I saw him covering at left-back at one point).
     
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  2. yarco canary

    yarco canary Well-Known Member

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    I agree about Berbatov,the amount of space he found was pretty to watch.

    The guy never broke sweat,and nearly everything went through him.

    Not appreciated by a lot of fans,who have only watched "100 mph" football.

    A real quality player.

    Regarding Henry Winter. Always enjoyed his columns,but you are right about
    his recent obsession with the BIG BOYS.
    Fact of life I am afraid.We will never be high profile enough,either through
    our players,manager,owners,fans etc to warrant column inches
    in the broadsheets.:smile::smile:
     
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  3. ThaiCanary

    ThaiCanary Well-Known Member

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    Funny you should mention this, I was talking with someone earlier about Norwich and they said "Norwich have not been doing to well recently, have not won in the last 3 games..." so I pointed out that we have not lose any of them either! Mind you, over the longer term it doesn't look quite so good :(
     
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  4. canary_max

    canary_max Well-Known Member

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    we have papers in our kitchen area at work, and i'm getting bored of the amount of big team articles. it really is biased, and some of them are complete non-stories sometimes!

    for henry winter in the Telegraph, read paul Howarth (can't remember his exact name) in the Times
     
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  5. Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed

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    i'm lucky enough to know henry and you are correct when you say he is a great journalist. i'm biased perhaps but i'd say he is this country's number one sports journalist at the moment. as yarco says, its the 'way of the world' - articles about the top teams sell more newspapers so inevitably they get more coverage - always been the case. we aren't really in the spotlight this season, which i suppose is a good thing as it means we are staying out of trouble both on and off the pitch, but i happen to know he has a little soft spot for norwich so when he does write about us it is usually in a positive light. there are some poor journos out there right now, one is in charge of bbc sport if you want to see big club bias, so i think we should be thankful for people like henry who actually know their stuff and don't dismiss clubs simply because they aren't challenging for the champions league positions or are liverpool.
     
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  6. CarlaCanary

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    Where are his match reports on Norwich this season though? Seen a few on Swansea - as I said, justifiably so - and a few on on QPR.

    My main criticisms lie for the most part with other journalists. I remember the Man City and Chelsea games. We were all expecting to have to hide behind the sofas or our cushions as the goals go flying in but we kept both games down to a one goal difference yet, in the Telegraph at least, it was all Man City this Man City that or Chelsea this and Chelsea that then 'oh by the way, the other team was Norwich.' Can't quite remember what the reports were like following our wins over United and Arsenal but they weren't much better, more of a United and Arsenal had a bad day but we won't give Norwich much credit sort of attitude.

    I have nothing against Henry Winter, Supers, I agree he is the country's number one sports journalist. I guess he just reports on the games he's told to.
     
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    canary_max Well-Known Member

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    we fall into the bracket of clubs who are uninteresting to most, like fulham, reading, WBA etc etc
    we also don't have a ballotelli or john terry in the dressing room that would be of interest to a lot of people
    i suspect the Kei Kamara story could be of interest once he gets more gametime, i can see an article about him coming in a national paper.
     
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  8. KIO

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    Let's face it, being the largest 'cul-de-sac' in England, we're just seen as an 'inconveience' to most other Prem teams. 'No-one likes us, we don't care' <sticksouttoungeemoticon>
     
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    Sports journalism is terrible on the BBC. Not just mistakes, but the quality of the journalism. Did anyone see their ranking of managers the other week? Their "insightful analysis" was to rank managers by points per game. Hardly in-depth, and the maths is hardly rocket science, yet they still managed to get some of the numbers wrong, and have managers in two places, or out of place.

    It's a constant gripe of ours over on the F1 board, we had a "BBC fail thread" which ran for over a year, full of shoddy journalism and unbelievable bias. In many cases it's shocking that these 'experts' (and don't even get me started on the pundits...) are getting license fee money to write something I honestly believe they could get from 90% of football fans in the country.
     
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    Whereas most of the places Norwich fans have to travel to are more like 'public convieniences'.
     
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    ly Football journalism is at an all time low. 95% percent of stories are blown out of proportion twitter-trash or recycled same old bollocks stories (lets talk about Suarez again, shall we?)

    Barely any talk of football. It really annoys me when someone makes far reaching assessments on my football club and they cleary don't know a thing about it. Often making assessments of whole games based on stats alone. Pathetic really.
     
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    On Henry Winter again, I've seen plenty of tweets about visits to the training grounds of United, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool; a few tweets about training ground visits to Swansea, Newcastle, Tottenham and Villa.

    All team visits to training ground visits mentioned above a justified. Although there have been a few to QPR's training ground, and none to the rest of the teams. There's no consistency. I could be being picky but it's very unbalanced!

    If you're not visiting Fulham, Norwich WBA etc who are doing reasonably, why the visits to QPR who are doing awfully.

    Journalism in general is rather awful. The horse meat story for example is completely out of proportion, I've eaten a wide range of meats and I couldn't care less if I've eaten horse! The bigger issue would be if there is meat that people can't eat for religious reasons ended up in other products!
     
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    I don't believe the issue there is that it's Horse meat, it's that it hasn't been labelled as such. Also, the source of the Horse meat is unknown, and if it comes from old race horses, may well be contaminated with Phenylbutazone, a compound which is no longer approved for human consumption. I personally have no problem with Spaghetti Bolog-neighs, but would rather it was labelled as such and the meat was from an identified, safe source.
     
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    Re horse meat, the authorities have just raided two places in the uk that have allegedly supplied it to burger and kebab products

    So finally we know kebabs are ropey!
     
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    Purely based on location carla, west London innit <ok>
     
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    I can't remember the exact story, but there was another journalist or someone similar who tried to get hold of Henry Winter only to be told by his wife that he was busy mowing his neighbour's lawn!
     
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  17. WBA2_QPR3

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    Carla I'm confused ( no surprise there I hear you say) but just because the blokes written a few articles about QPR you're in a huff?

    Were the articles complimentary or about our car crash 2 seasons in the prem??? You don't mention the content? Maybe he's interested in the ongoing chaos rather than paying homage to our WCT?

    Can't you see why there is a 'story' around QPR that people want to read?

    Bit of a poor OP this if you don't actually tell us what he's writing about, unless you're miffed that he just hasn't focused on Norwich which to be perfectly frank have gone a bit mid table obscurity? If I was you I'd be happy to be ignored and mid table than talked about all the time yet propping the table up

    Be careful what you wish for
     
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  18. Resurgam

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    Steady on Wubba old chap. You're starting to make sense. Can't be having that now can we? <ok>
     
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  19. WBA2_QPR3

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    Sorry maestro ill put my 'it was all your fault in '76' hat back on

    Who do you play next?

    Up the toffees / potters / toon etc etc
     
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  20. WBA2_QPR3

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    Sorry maestro ill put my 'it was all your fault in '76' hat back on

    Who do you play next?

    Up the toffees / potters / toon etc etc
     
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