The problem with Tiote, and what we can do about it

Tiote is one of the best ball winners in the league, if not the best. His defensive capabilities are excellent. The problem with him is he tries to do too much on the ball, and I don't think it's just his fault, it's Pardew asking him to do the wrong sort of job.

His job should be to just make tackles, win the ball and pass it to a team mate. Instead, he wins it then often tries to skin players or dribble with it.

IMO if we're gonna play this sort of formation...


---------Cisse---------

Gouff----Sissoko----Jonas

-----Tiote---Cabaye------

Santon--Colo--Saylor--Debuchy

------------Krul---------------

Then what Tiote needs to do is just play a simple pass to Cabaye or someone else. He's done his job when he wins the ball and defends, he shouldn't have to do anything else. We don't need him to make sexual passes along the ground to get us up the pitch, he should just pass it to someone close to him.

He's not a Diame or Ramires type player, that picks the ball up and runs with it and makes something. He's the sort that's just a bulldozer that wins possession and there's nothing wrong with that, as long as that's his only job. We shouldn't be trying to make him do much more than that.

His long range passing looks great, and he's ok with me to try one, but I don't think he should be risking possession by trying to be Ben Arfa and weave his way through players.

 

A goid point Tash. Tiote needs to just keep things simple.

 

Tiote doesn't have problems, he causes them.

 

Like batty, simple two yards passes but never lost possession p

 

I said this after 2 games into the season

 

What exactly did he do wrong yesterday? Everyone seems to be moaning about nothing as far as I can see. He came on, won the ball well in the tackle about 6 times, played some nice passes, almost slipped through Cisse, but Papiss took the worst two touches of the game, and generally looked accomplished and eager to do plenty of running.

Where were was the horrible foul, the constant loss of possession in the tackle, and a few poor passes over the top? Oh wait, Cabaye did all that, but he's impervious to criticism...

 

Nothing yesterday I can recall. In fact I thought he should have come on for Perch at half time. I'd be amazed if Perch starts the next game.Well he might, but the next league game.

 

I thought Perch was as solid as ever, but as soon as he started wincing he should have been off no doubt. Not a bad problem to have at all for me, picking between the two. I'd have Tiote as first-choice, with Perch the level head coming on to seal a victory or a point. With Europa they both get games anyway.

I feel that everyone has lost appreciation for what Cheick does in panic-stricken turmoil and rush to blame one individual. He hasn't been anywhere near as bad as people pretend. He dabbles on the ball occasionally, but only once in his entire career with us has that lead to an opposition goal, yet fans still chirp on like it's the bane of their lives. Chill out!

He misplaces the odd pass, who doesn't? He misses the odd tackle, and shoots unnecessarily in an attempt to score an Arsenal-esque worldy... But these are really small gripes when you see the mileage he racks up, pressure he puts on the opposition, the fact he covers the marauding full-back with aplomb, takes the biggest threats out of the game completely, and the fact he wins the ball consistently and robustly. He's not even in the top 5 of players who've played below par this season.

 

I am amazed at the criticism of Tiote.

Tiote is a class player who has been off form earlier in the season ( a bit like Cabaye ) partly because he was attempting to cover the failings of others ie he was trying too hard and trying to do too much. Class is permanent, loss of form is temporary.

We don't need to "do" anything about Tiote. We certainly don't want him to just tackle and pass he is so much better a player than that as he has shown numerous times. As much as I like Perchinio's effort he simply isn't in the same league as Tiote.

Also having witnessed Batty first hand I certainly wouldn't want Tiote to be as negative as Batty ( sideways and backwards passing only ) as again Tiote is so much better than that.

I accept there are parts of his play Tiote needs to work on but major surgery is not on the agenda. I believe/hope with a better squad and Cabaye back on form we will see the Tiote of old back and hopefully nonsensical threads like this are consigned to the waste paper bin. If this site was about when Shearer played and he hadn't scored for a few games I could see certain members advocating dropping him against Sunderland and picking Paul Robinson instead!!

 

Tiote played ok for me Jonas Jonas ****ing Jonas

 

not a big fan eh?

 

Quote Originally Posted by Boa View Post
Tiote played ok for me Jonas Jonas ****ing Jonas

What makes you say that?

One of Jonas' better critiques in recent weeks........months.......this season...........

 

Responding to some of the comments -

I agree with all the people saying that a lot of the criticisms of Tiote are annoying and silly. I've never thought at any time that we should get rid of Tiote or that he's ****e.

All I said in my article is that we're using him in the wrong way. He shouldn't be relied upon to keep the ball and and make runs, he should be used to intercept passes and make tackles, and when he has won the ball, just make a simple pass to a team mate who can make things happen with the ball.

He can keep the ball with his strength and agility, but he seems to be trying to dribble too much. All he needs to do is win the ball, and if he's under pressure, he should just turn his back and hold a player off until a pass becomes available.

Tiote is a technical player with ability, but he is not needed for for his ability to run with the ball or to dribble. He just needs to win the ball, hold off players and pass it to a player, to hold and keep possession without unnecessary risks. He makes unnecessary risks when he pisses about on the ball trying to dribble and make things far more complicated than they need to be, and he loses it in critical areas.

 

I think those are fair observations Tash, my comments are not necessarily aimed at you anyway, but a broader audience. I've heard people saying "Tiote isn't playing well this week because he's going to XYZ in the XYZ transfer window..." and it pisses me off so much I want to Tashgasm in their faces. He's always said he's happy here, he always gives everything and covers the most mileage on the pitch, and he's a cracking footballer. Whether he goes or not, his "poor form" has been massively overhyped on the backs of the failings of others, which I think trevornufc aptly described. Merging your comments with his, I think we have a decent outlook. Less responsibility for Tiote in a midfield that does it's job.

For half a season we had an unproductive turd of a midfield. The wingers couldn't cross, Cabaye was completely off-it, and we had Cisse wide right... Santon and hopeful CB long-balls was our biggest threat and Demba was feeding on what I'd even hesitate to call scraps. Tiote, in the midst of that, was trying to force games and be everything in the team, which is difficult for anyone but Stevie G of old. With the additions we've started creating some real chances, and I think Tiote will slot in their nicely, with his game meaning Sissoko doesn't have to do as much defensively and won't be as knackered. Think we have a brilliant potential midfield, especially when Ben Arfa's back, as numerous people have highlighted.

 

Yes indeed, things are looking rosie.

 

We look a totally different team to the one that walked out a few weeks ago. Tiote can be frustrating because he loses the ball but when he is attempting to force the play by dribbling, he is drawing players in which in turn create space for our flair and creativity in cabaye and HBA and eventually gouffran. Yesterday, at times we couldn't get the ball out as spurs did a good job of closing us down very quickly. Once tiote hits that bit of form, we will look better again. Looking at the team as a whole at the minute I would say our biggest problem is the finishing and form of cisse. Not been at it all season.

 

When HBA comes back I feel the last piece of the jigsaw will be in place. This will push us up the field ( closer to Cisse) and give the defenders others to defend against and give Cisse more time and space to do his "voodoo"

 

Absolutely. Can't wait for HBA to be back.

 

pardew will no doubt pick Jonas still but yes we need benny back

 

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ORDER IN THE TIOURT

The center circle is big enough for 2 mid fielders. You must distrube the ball around the pitch from the centre of the pitch to keep possesion.

2 centre midfielders must make runs to make space and must pass, tackling is very important but no midfielder in newcastle is going to not be passing. Tim Krul isnt the faster player so should we tell him not to close down one on one.

Tiote would not tolerate your dis respecting his passing tash. He isnt as good as cabaye or ben arfa at passing but at least he is trying to pass the ball. I dont see cabaye running 10mph and spearing john terry (example)

Really ground my gears to bits here tash


But im sure a smart man like yourself tash will realise that if you saw tiote pass straight to cabaye every time he got possesion for 5 straight matches. Youd make a post saying alright we need tiote to start passing cos all those mackems are ganna mark cabaye and we will get WTF ANAL ROAD BLOCKED.

PEace out