Article: Will the last one out please turn off the lights.... or simple evolution? | Newcastle United FC, Football

Now, you know I'm not one for knee jerks and this isn't such a thread by a long way but I'd like to hypothesise for a minute, reference out short to mid term transfer plans.

With Ba gone and Colo likely to leave by the summer.... plus also the poor season we are having I could honestly see further departures of some of our core players.

We know from Pardew himself that Mike 'let him keep the group together' last summer but..... how will Mike view things now?

With bigger teams sniffing for Santon, Krul and Cabaye, plus the HBA/PSG thing I think he may be tempted to cash in on a few of his top assets while he can.... don't forget we are a selling club, this is part of our club strategy... a strategy that has worked so far.

He may also argue that Pards has had his chance and now is time for a change... who knows?

The one thing that gives me hope is that, if say we sold 2-3 more of our core players, all of whom are on decent lengthed contracts this will free up quite a bit of funding to let Carr once again weave his magic on the continent.

Granted, in the short term this may weaken our team but mid to long term this will further solidify our financial position.

The much vaunted 'development squad' has so far failed to have provided the production line we had hoped so there will be more and more emphasis on the scouting network to unearth more 'gems' for the first team.... something which needs self funding from within the club.

In summary we may see departures just like we may see arrivals but the finances of the club have to come first because in the current climate without financial stability we may have no club at all.

So in a week where we have seen a target slip through our fingers for money reasons... have a think..... would we really want to go back to he dark old days and risk doing a Leeds or a Pompey by paying daft money?

I for one would never want to see that happen again and... stripping the emotion out if things trust Mike Ashley to make the right decision for the future of our club.

HTL

 

are you derek llambias?

 

Ba was always going to leave, Colo is unfortunate. We've brought in Debuchy and refused to pay £80k a week to Remy, who has fallen considerably from grace. That's it. Every window our players - and every decent player from every club (excepting the usual four or five) is linked with a move. Saints fans have had rumours of Puncheon, Lallana and Shaw leaving, it's no different anywhere it's just perspective (we're on a NUFC board) and exposure (one-club city, large fan base, more press coverage). You would think we'd have had enough of this doom and gloom to be hardened to it, but no - we get suckered in every, single time.

So there will be no mass-exodus. There will be replacements brought in at a reasonable cost to the club. And when our core returns to the first team, we will push up the table and take a shot at the Europa League.

 

I'm somewhat worried about the next few months but not much worried about the future.

Krul, Cabaye, HBA could easily all leave. if so, they should leave about £35m (or quite probably more) behind them. We can do a lot with that sort of money.

The development squad (which is about 3 years old) has produced Fergie, Bigi, Sammy and Tavernier so far. None of these are wholly prem class at the moment, though the first two are not far off. Abeid was very disappointing against Brighton but I still have hopes for him and some others.

If FFP actually is ever implemented, then I expect the club to be in an increasingly strong position over the coming seasons. Also, I think Ashley has learned a lesson that sometimes insisting on everything being a bargain can be false economy.

Let's win against Reading, and then worry about the long term

 

Just watching an interview with Redknap about the Remy signing, he's admitted Remy wasn't interested, he goes on to say, 'The Chairman worked very hard to bring him to the club'.
Even though Redknap claims Remy is excited at the prospective players QPR have lined up to sign, and this is what made him change his mind, I think we can all suss out what Fernandes 'doing hard work' means.

We have boundaries, clubs like Chelsea, Man City have the lure of big pay deals, they have the resources to buy up all the competition, we are unlikely to change our business plan, let's just hope Ashley's master plan is the right plan.

 

I'd agree with this. I'm a bit concerned our attractiveness to potential signings is like something out of the primary school teacher's handbook ("Hi Loic! Look, these players are also French, wanna go play with them?"), but I don't think everyone's worst nightmares will come to fruition.

On the article, I believe it's partly the evolution of football. Evolution is about replicating desired characteristics for better adaptation to the environment, and at the moment a lot of clubs are trying to get their houses in order as ours is, but there are some who continue the old ways and will go bust. Arsenal lose all their best players all the time, rely on youth, charge the punters a fortune and now have enough money to do whatever they want... Including buying a new stadium and paying off the debt in the shortest time in history. Long-term, it looks pretty good for us. As I've said elsewhere, rarely does a team go down with large attendances and stay down for very long, even when they've been financially mismanaged like Leeds. 48-52k will see us gravitate back to the top forever, in my opinion, so I think Ashley's business model is an astute one.

The unfortunate repercussion is that players leave who could have formed a great squad. I think you just have to chalk it up to a privilege to see them play for your club, then wish them well when they leave. However, we don't have infinite sums of cash to bring in Man Utd like signings, so even if Ashley was behaving like Fernandes, we probably wouldn't be able to keep the likes of Ba anyway!

 

Agree with everything except the last quote. I think Ba was perfectly happy at Tyneside and would have been happy to stay if it didn't cost him some millions ot do so. We could have kept him if we'd wanted to.

 

Maybe... we don't really know the ins and outs of it, I suspect there's always going to be someone who'll pay even more than you no matter how much you throw at them. I'm happy that we have a wage structure system in place and don't wish to break it though

 

Wish somebody would throw some money at me.

Anyway, the Gremlins of last night seem to have left us, that's something to be grateful for.

 

Totally agree with this - people saying we are in crisis and all the big players want to leave.... really?

Colo - his issues have nothing to do with the club itself
HBA - has specifically says he loves the toon and wants to stay in the recent interview, but everyone just focuses on what he says about PSG
Santon - Has said he wants to stay
Cabaye - we just signed his best mate

...with new signings on the horizon .... not looking as bad as everyone makes out, methinks.

 

Yep

 

So long as we make it to May with three clubs still beneath us. Long term thinking is fine, but you've also got to keep your eyes on the next turn in the road

 

You took my advice and ate some musli this morning didn't you mate?

 

It already is, here in the Dutch competition, all professional football clubs must have their bookkeeping up to FFP standards. The FFP rules are already acted out here since 2010. Clubs like Ajax and Feyenoord had to restructure their entire business accordingly. Feyenoord almost went bankrupt. AZ Alkmaar was practically braindead because their main sponser, a bank, went bust. But both came back and are close to having a positive balance. In the first division, two clubs went under: RBC Roosendaal and HFC Haarlem which existed since 1889 and was dissolved on its 120 year anniversary. And as of last week a third club was declared bankrupt. AGOVV, long time amateur club was that will be dissolved tomorrow, a month before its 100 year anniversary.

This is all due to the bad economy but also due to the strict FFP rules. The clubs couldn't pay their players anymore and had to file for bankruptcy.
Welcome to the future.

 

Nope... not eaten yet.

You need to read my comment in the context of the rest of the article though as I'm far from agreeing with you Mouses brain.

 

A future that sees NUFC in a very strong position financially I hope.

 

How did Heracles Almelo do? They're my favourite dutch team
I believe they've effectively been mid-table since FFP came in, yet they only have a small stadium and attendances compared with the rest? They must be run very well indeed!

 

Very solid team with one of the best financial positions in the Dutch League. They are even talking about building a new stadium.
The Dutch financial fair play is regulated in three catergories.If a club is in category III it means it's financial healthy and can take care of themselves. Category II means that the club is in tough financial times but they are still in the clear. The KNVB(Dutch FA) will be keeping a close eye on the books. Category I means the club is in big financial problems and that the KNVB will put the club in legal restraint and takes over finances. At this point the club needs permission from the FA to buy or loan players. They are forced to sell players that are above a certain wage scale. And they have to restructure the organization to the point that the expenses is back to the level the FA finds acceptable. Currently the rule is, that if a club remains in catergy I for more than three years the club is fined, excluded from european competitions and points are deducted in competition.

 

Cheers for the info Cove, I think it's a good thing European leagues almost across the board are starting to get their house in order! Unfortunately, I don't think Fifa will dare tackle Man City, PSG etc

 

I heard that the FFP rules are in place.

What I meant was; "If the FFP rules are in fact adhered to such that a well monied club is indeed barred from playing in Europe . . . "

It's one thing passing the rules. It's another having the backbone to enforce them