Where should the boundaries be when managers confront officials?

Fergie to be let off again...... so where should the boundaries be?... or is it one rule for one and a different for the others.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ex-Ferguson-face-action-FA-Mike-Dean-row.html

Sir Alex Ferguson has escaped any punishment from the FA for his conduct towards officials during his team’s win over Newcastle yesterday.
However action over Roberto Mancini and Harry Redknapp is under consideration after they were highly critical of refereeing performances following their defeats.
The Manchester United manager confronted referee Mike Dean at half time, then expressed his anger at fourth official Neil Swarbrick, before arguing with assistant Jake Collin after the visitor’s second goal was allowed to stand despite initially being ruled out for offside.

But Dean did not include any mention of the incidents in his match report and as such, English football’s governing body consider the matter closed.
Sportsmail understands that while Ferguson appeared extremely heated once Jonny Evans' own goal had been given – with Papiss Cisse stood in an offside position – he did not abuse or use insulting language towards the officials. In fact, Dean and Ferguson held a ‘reasonable and rational’ conversation about the goal and the game’s laws, even if the United boss disagreed with its interpretation.

THOSE WHO WEREN'T SO LUCKY

Liverpool midfielder Suso was fined £10,000 earlier this month for sending a homophobic tweet to team-mate Jose Enrique.
Suso replied to a picture posted on Twitter by Enrique showing the Reds defender getting his teeth whitened. The 19-year-old Spaniard tweeted: ‘What f*** is he doing? This guy is gay... he does everything except play football.’
After Suso was slapped with a fine, Enrique jumped to his defence and said: 'Is amazing how fa can fine my friend @suso30fernandez for a banter thing. Was just a joke!!!'

Chelsea captain John Terry was found guilty by the FA of making racist comments to QPR's Anton Ferdinand.
Despite being cleared of a criminal charge after last season's incident, Terry was banned for four games and fined £220,000.

Liverpool talisman Luis Suarez served an eight-match ban last season after being adjudged to have repeatedly racially abused Patrice Evra by the FA.

Dean did not send Ferguson to the stands during the game, an indication that nothing against the rules had taken place.

However, Manchester City boss Mancini could yet be handed a ban for his comments aimed at referee Kevin Friend. The Italian was angered by a challenge on Pablo Zabaleta in the build-up to Sunderland’s winning goal went unpunished.
Mancini said after the 1-0 defeat at the Stadium of Light: ‘The referee, he ate too much for Christmas. I do not know how he could miss this. He was not in good form.’
FA rules do not allow managers to question the integrity of officials and Mancini’s suggestion that Friend over-indulged falls into this category. Ironically, Ferguson was banned for two-games after branding Alan Wiley ‘unfit’ following a game in 2010.
Redknapp could also be in the dock after his admonishment of referee Chris Foy and assistant Harry Lennard. Robert Green felt he was impeded for West Bromwich’s match-winning goal at Loftus Road and Lennard missed a blatant handball in the box by Liam Ridgewell in injury time.
Redknapp said of the assistant: ‘Maybe he should go to Specsavers.’ He added: ‘I thought they were awful decisions.’

 

"or is it one rule for one and a different for the others....."


you said it ........... hmmmm! or was that the FA


sends out all the wrong signals

 

He massively criticised the ref after the Swansea game and nothing at all.

 

He's a old **** who wants to win at any cost. And he pressurises officials, end of.

 

One rule for some and no rule for Fergie, he makes them as he goes along.

 

A little something from NUFC.com

Sweet FA Over Fergie's Antics.

Manchester United 4 Newcastle 3

Update: Sky Sports News, Thursday: The FA have received no complaint from referee Mike Dean over Sir Alex Ferguson's conduct against Newcastle."

Match action is online here

Manchester manager Alex Ferguson plumbed new depths by berating referee Mike Dean and his officials, as his side bullied their way to victory, despite Newcastle leading three times at Old Trafford on Wednesday afternoon.

The conduct of the bespectacled septuagenarian was nothing short of a disgrace as he and his staff confronted Dean at the end of half-time and continued to harangue the linesman and fourth official throughout the game.

The point of contention had come when Red Devils defender Johnny Evans turned in a Danny Simpson cross to give us a 2-1 lead but the linesman flagged for what he thought was Papiss Cisse in his usual offside position.

However, referee Dean correctly ruled that Cisse had not become active as the ball never reached him and decided the goal should stand.

After the game, Ferguson showed that his view of the incident was cloudy to say the least, claiming Demba Ba was offside and had tugged Evans' arm - Ba being some five yards away from the incident....

The own goal restored our advantage in the 28th minute, just three minutes after Evans had equalised, James Perch putting us into a surprise fourth minute lead when David De Gea pushed out Demba Ba's snapshot.

Newcastle, wearing their luminous green Euro shirt as the rain fell in Manchester, looked full of purpose from the first whistle and Ba came close in the first minute before he strode clear and hit a low shot that De Gea made a mess of.

That allowed Perch to tuck home his first senior goal for the club (and his first for nearly three years) and for the next 20 minutes the visitors looked well worth their lead, until Evans tapped home from close range after Tim Krul had saved from Javier Hernandez.

But the controversy at the other end minutes later put us back in front and Alan Pardew's side kept the advantage up to the break, although we were inches away from going in 3-1 up.

Sylvain Marveaux struck a fabulous free-kick that bounced back off the bar, with De Gea well beaten. At the other end Robin Van Persie was nowhere near with a free-kick that was five yards wide of Krul's goal just before the break.

The indefensible intimidation of the officials as the teams returned to the field continued throughout the second half when Fabricio Coloccini stood firm in the penalty area with Hernandez hopefully appealing for a spot-kick.

But the home side eventually drew level in the 58th minute when Patrice Evra's low shot somehow beat Krul, although it looked to be a fairly hopeful effort from the full back.

However, the goal of the game followed ten minutes later when substitute Gabriel Obertan played the ball inside to Cisse who smashed an unstoppable effort inside the near post to give us the lead for the third time.

But three minutes later it was all square again when a foul on Coloccini wasn't spotted and after Krul had saved from Van Persie his compatriot took advantage of the parry to tuck the ball home from close range.

There were still 20 minutes remaining and both Ameobis, Shola and Sammy came on for Ba and Cisse, respectively but play switched from end to end and Sammy almost put us in front again after jinking into the area and curling a low shot that bounced back off the post to the grateful De Gea.

Four minutes of Fergie time was signalled and just as the 90 minutes were up Michael Carrick clipped a ball into the box that found Hernandez who was able to volley under Krul for the winner.

Both sides had three players booked with Mike Williamson's fifth meaning he will be suspended for Saturday's visit to Arsenal. However, Antonio Valencia should have received his second when he came through the back of Vurnon Anita with two minutes remaining.

Anita was stretchered off with an ankle problem that thankfully proved to be no worse than bruising but which will only add to our ongoing selection issues with both him and Jonas Gutierrez now unavailable for Saturday.

And to add insult to injury, with John Carver making his feelings known to Rio Ferdinand as the players left the field, news of Manchester City's defeat at the mackems was confirmed by the PA announcer - taking the red and whites one place above Newcastle.

No points then and two more players lost, but a brave and committed performance should have brought some reward and easily have seen the 40-year winless streak halted. Given some of the dark days here in years past, this was a display to be proud of.

While Arsenal enjoyed their questionable Boxing Day break - would a Metro strike see Newcastle get a postponement we wonder? - Alan Pardew's side must now go to the Emirates after an exhausting and traumatic defeat that leaves them languishing dangerously near the drop zone.

We dropped a place to 15th, having now gained just 20 points from the first half of the season - two points and three places worse off than we stood after losing at Wigan on Boxing Day in the 2008/09 relegation season.

Full match report to follow.

Team: Krul, Simpson, Williamson, Coloccini, Santon, Anita, Perch, Bigirimana (Obertan 64), Cisse (Sammy Ameobi 78), Ba (Shola Ameobi 70), Marveaux
Subs n/u: Elliot, Ferguson, Tavernier, Campbell.
(Rookie defender Remi Streete is fit again and travelled with the toon squad as the "19th man")

Booked: Simpson, Williamson, Cisse.

Goals: Perch 4, og(Evans) 28, Cisse 68.

Man Utd: De Gea, Smalling, Ferdinand, Evans, Evra, Valencia, Carrick, Scholes (Cleverley 68), Giggs, van Persie, Hernandez (Fletcher 90+2).
Subs n/u: Lindegaard, Vidic, Buttner, Wootton, Tunnicliffe.

Booked: Evans, Valencia, Hernandez.

Goals: Evans 25, Evra 58, Van Persie 71, Hernandez 90.

Crowd: 75,596 - just seven short of their highest of the season.

Referee: Mike Dean journeyed from the Wirral to handle this game, his second involving Newcastle this season following the 0-1 home loss to West Ham in November.


Taken from NUFC.com

 

Really only the captain should ever be able to talk to the ref, but there are several areas that I think would improve relations between everyone in the game.

Personally, if I were a ref I would travel with a dossier that would explain my subjective interpretation of rules. It would highlight what I look out for most of all, how harsh I will be for certain incidents etc. Some refs have these inbuilt attitudes towards the rules, and act accordingly in the match, but these are never communicated wider in the game. If I said "I'm going to give a yellow for every dive so I don't want to see it in the game", I think that's more of a deterrent than vague rules which the players assume/know are up to interpretation. I think there'd be less back-chat and less aggressiveness if these things were better communicated.

I'm also in favour of ref's holding a quick Q&A post-match about the game, as long as it's in the right atmosphere. The reporter asking for views on major incidents etc would be more encouraging of self-critique than having ref's simply answer to an overall ref boss. "You got this wrong" is not going to help, but if it was a "how did you see this incident", it would allow them to explain their view of it immediately after the game (more useful than recalling it a day or two later at ref-base) and better work out how to position themselves or look at a situation with regards getting the decision correct. I think fans would be more forgiving of them as well.

 

For people not giving you rep?

 

They are all **** scared of Fergie. Bloke is a tool but we'd all love him in charge such is the sway he holds in our game. Be interesting to see what happens when he goes.....................

 

That's definitely worth a 1 month suspension in my eyes!

 

There always has been one rule for old big red nose and another for all other managers. I think the FA of frightened of him and let him get away with murder.

 

does Rudolph Ferguson get away - again - with blatently pressurising officials.

Don't get me wrong, I can put up with an instant reaction, but to have a go before AND AFTER half time seems a bit much.
To complain that Cisse was pulling Evans, when all agree it was the other way round!!!
Would he complain if it was the other way around - I doubt it.

But yet again, the do sweet FA can't/won't do anything as it's not in the referees report!

Anyone else feel similarly agrieved?

 

Just seen thread by ACS!.
I really should read through more carefully!!!

 

He's been getting away with murder for years, there must be something in the ref's manual that say's, "Thou shall not question Fergie!"

 

I think this is another case of the referee not making any mention of it (discussion/fergies antics) cos he's **** scared of not being allowed back to OT to referee another big game !

The sooner he ****s off and retires, the better for me and the game in general I reckon.

 

I think he's in his own right a great legendary manager. However the power and respect he holds is WAY over the rest of the playing field. It's unacceptable the difference that he commands over the rest of the managers in the league, for instance, I can't imagine what Pardew would have gotten if he had been the one to rant at half time. Maybe Pardew would have earned himself a seat in the stands and a further ban no doubt.