POLL - Leave Ba on the bench?

He seriously is a greedy bastard, and it's obvious that he just wants to try and score belters to try and get the bigger clubs ****ing over him.

Other players got into some good positions in the last few games, and he just smashes it at the net.

I'm not saying just stop playing him, but I'm saying leaving him off til late stages of the game can help us.

If he seriously only care about scoring for himself, then we should leave him off until the end and hope that his selfishness and quality snatches late wins.

He's quite clearly not interested here anymore, and his mind is already elsewhere, and he can't just refuse to play and try, because that would look bad to other clubs.

I say play this next game -


-------------Cissea----------------

Ferugon--------Marv-----------Obertan

---------Bigi---------Tiote------------

Santon----Colo----Perch---------Simpson

---------------Krul-----------------------

If by some miracle Anita is fit, then put him in Marvs position, and put Marv on the right.

I think this would be a good chance to try a different sort of thing. A 5 man midfield, and passing it about.

Bring Ba and Shola on late in the game, and crush them.

 

Forgot to add a poll >< Just vote down here.

 

Memory going at 20? Just wait till you're 28.

 

Sorry but we cant leave Ba on the bench, top scorer, he does so much closing down of defenders which leads to mistakes and to a few of our goals this season, and we scored 3 goals with him on the pitch today without him socring which shows he is a pivotal player, we cant slate him for leaving as he has not left yet, ACS has said it in another thread we can have pride in or team today as we almost beat a team that is probably going to win the league. Sooner or later we will go on a run of winning games and get back up the league to where we belong. Merry Xhristmas and Happy New Year everyone.

 

He used to, but as January closes in more and more, he becomes more and more greedy.

Leaving him on the bench would be the better option IMO.

 

But then who's going to score the goals?

 

I understand what you mean, but saying that his selfishness would only be good when bringing him on late is wrong in my opinion, your complelely forgetting everyother good thing that he does for the team, which includes scoring lots of goals.

 

Obvious? I disagree.

Greedy bastard is an entirely subjective point of view, but he's one of the most accurate finishers in the league despite people screaming and shouting about him being "too greedy". It's more likely he'll score than Cisse etc, so if he's in a good position I'd say, and statistics back me up on this, that he should shoot.

If you've set a standard of greediness, fair enough, but when a striker becomes too greedy is most obviously seen as when his chance conversion rate is woeful and he's not passing to team-mates, not when it's highest in the league and he fails to pass to Cisse once.

 

Greediness can actually be a good trait to possess. Van Nistelrooy, for instance, was insatiably greedy.

 

Personally I think this comes down to Pardew - if Pardew wants Ba to be numero uno and through the centre then yes, he needs to be greedy. If, however, it is Cisse through the middle then Ba should be more of a team player as he has shown signs of overly being greedy.

 

Well I obviously agree. Greedy bastard, get rid!

 

Ba didn't score any today, he didn't score vs QPR either. His greed has increased over the last few games, and he hasn't scored in any of the last two.

We can score without him, and we need to make it a habbit since it's 95% likely he's going next month.

We cannot rely on him forever, and his greediness was good for a while, but now it's just hurting the team, and there's no point in keeping him on.

 

If you were manager, would you really, honestly, take out the player who has scored the most often in our team, has one of the most accurate finish rates in the league full stop, and is essentially used as a target man in the absence of an actual target man? Really, who are you going to play? Shola?

No way would Pardew do this, no way is Pardew unhappy with Ba's attacking input, and no way can you tell me he has intentions of leaving until he's gone... I don't see why he's the scapegoat. If defenders defend, midfielders create chances, goalies stop shots, Ba scores goals, Ba is a hero. To me it's backwards logic making him out as a bastard because of what you've garnered from rumour-mongering papers (especially french and english FFS!) and what the fat twat next to you says at the match...

 

Good to see some newcastle fans get behind BA, as i believe BA is your best striker and while cisse is talented, his reputation over here is based around a fantastic purple patch last year.

BA is a lethal finisher and in the games ive seen, he closes down defenders and is decent at holding the ball up in tight areas but essentialy he is a finisher (much like defoe) so fans focus on these players as being greedy but in reality they offer much more then just goals.

 

I don't blame Ba for anything, but if he's gonna start anymore games he needs to try and play more players through, instead of trying to shoot too much.

He has the right to be greedy, but not too much so.

Cisse has got into some great positions and Ba has just smashed it at the net.

We can't be a team that passes it to Ba or Ben Arfa and hope they produce magic. That was ok before, but since we've been improving our passing and starting to look good again, we need to be playing as a team, and it's been working, and more players are starting to get on the score sheet.

Some players are busting their arses off to get up the pitch, only to get a front row seat to see Ba smash it wide.

I'm not saying he should never try, I'm just saying he needs to tone it down a bit.

 

He closes down defenders in games he gets a goal in, but if he isn't on the score sheet yet, he stays up the pitch and waits for the ball. Against Wigan and City he looked like a different player, with a far higher work rate.

In the last two games he's just been shooting at every opportunity.

 

I agree. Demba's being used as a target man, which he's doing quite well, and he's scoring goals on top of that.

If he was moping around, not getting stuck in, looking forlorn and being ineffective as usually is the case for "want-away" strikers, he'd be getting lambasted for that... But no, he's doing well and he's still getting it... Just defies logic for me!

Because some fat tosser in a poorly air conditioned office has ordained that Ba might leave in Jan (as has been said for the last 2 windows), suddenly he's only scoring goals because he doesn't care and wants to leave??? Just how can you win with fans? Short answer, you can't!

 

It's confusing what you're actually criticizing. Man City and Wigan were recent. The pundits today were talking about the need to test De Gea from every opportunity, and they're right, as Demba proved by bagging an assist with one of those shots where he was a "greedy bastard".

Demba is obviously doing the job Pardew wants, or he'd not be playing.

 

My point is he needs to score before he decides to work hard, and that shouldn't be the case. If he doesn't score he can't be arsed to track back, if he does score he's suddenly a tank of energy.

He should play more as a team mate. We're becoming more effective and scoring goals as a team, and we were unlucky not to have 5, all from different players.

Cisse is working his nutsack off, producing skill, passing and crossing decent, and he got a goal today. If Cisse can be all over the pitch and score, then Ba can. But unfortunately it takes a goal for Ba to do anything other than belt it at the net.

 

Pardew would tell him to, I think, if that was the idea. However, playing as high as Demba is, he's often isolated with back to goal and nobody beyond him. Cisse is wide right, not much help. Who is there to make a through pass to?

Cisse got in a better position once. And Demba's shot could have ended similar to the first goal. He was in a good position, backed himself to test the keeper, there's just no way that shooting was a terrible idea.

While I agree more of an effort is made to get to Ba, there's still nothing beyond him ever. He holds it up and lays it back.

Does the system need to change to facilitate better performances from others? the player doing what's required of him isn't the same as the role being unhelpful overall. At the moment, Demba is doing his job well.