I can't believe you've got some pikey who works for Hull City Council running your biggest fan group, didn't anyone in Leeds fancy doing it? Leeds United Supporters Trust 624 Inglemire Lane, Hull, East Yorkshire HU6 8SJ It's weird, if the Hull City Supporters Trust was in Leeds, nobody would join it.
Aha WJ, you've mixed up the means used to commit suicide with the conditions that caused the person to feel suicidal in the first place. Those are two different things. I'm basically talking about banning things that help contribute to an ailment that currently affects about 40% of people in this country, at least until the processes for treating and dealing with depression are improved and recovery becomes more commonplace.
I repeat the question then: should EVERYTHING that can be classed as 'harmful to people' be forcibly withheld from them? Should people not be able to make mistakes, or harm themselves? And if that's what you truly believe, do you happily accept the government as the owner of your body and your life? I'm suggesting a world of voluntary interaction. If that makes me an extremist in your eyes, fine. I think your support for violent aggression against innocent people is extreme too, you extremist. In my ideal world, there would be no 'Iran' as we know it, because presumably people within that territory would secede from governmental control as is their right, and there would be no contiguous state in that area, unless every single person desired it and signed their freedom away to Ahmedinejad and his boys in a contract. Let's take the unlikely view that it did happen, yes, I would be happy for them to own nuclear weapons, but they would know they had another 50 pointed at them by the rest of the world, civilized people would pay for peace-keeping spies to infiltrate their weapons plants and defence forces, and in truth, their main nutters would probably be assassinated. That would be wrong and illegal if they hadn't committed a crime, but is the way of the world, and I'm sure few rational people would shed a tear. So I am morally against the sort of preventative measures you speak of when lives are truly at stake, but I can sympathize with people who'd betray such values because they genuinely feared for their lives or those of others. The only reason people want to "go to the countryside" anyway is because life is so horrifically miserable for so many people and they aren't willing to put the effort in to make their lives better. Too busy blaming external factors for their misery instead of doing something about it. Marko, you can't tell people why they do something, they themselves know. I wouldn't say my life is miserable at the moment. And I drink quite regularly, and have dabbled elsewhere, as do millions of others. I don't think the world has ever generally been a happier place since the last 100 years, and yet substance use has spiked in that time. Probably because people don't want life to be BORING and ruled by some father-knows-best government which rules their life for them and tells them what's good and bad for them, like you seem to think yourself qualified to do. Unfortunately the only way to ensure there are no innocent victims in "victimless" activities like owning a hammer for no good reason is to stop people from owning hammers. Preventative kidknapping of people in my opinion is a fascistic suggestion. Do you approve of the Police arresting Leeds fans before they even go to the game, just to prevent disorder, because they suspect there'd be 'victims'? How about closing down nightclubs and pubs because there's usually scraps and drug use in them on a weekend? Or invading China, because they have a terrible human rights record? All similarly 'logical' instances of preventative arrest. Yep, and the only people the ban/amnesty has affected are the innocent ones who were doing it out of fear anyway. The true dickheads don't care what PC Plod has to say on the matter, and continue to stab with impunity, but with even less resistance from their unarmed victims. Self-protection and hunting are the purpose of knives and guns. Not that this point of intention means anything. A murderer could easily make his own gun or knife and take it out in public, and everyone knows where you can get a piece if you want one, from a gun dealer or by joining the Police/military or by getting a permit as a farmer. Guns are not outlawed in the UK by any means. It's the nature of our society that stops sprees like in the USA and Finland, which, while freer are still more ruralized and fundamentally depressed countries. What are the numbers involved with deaths from cars and guns? BAN THE AUTOMOBILE IN CASE ANYONE EVER HURTS THEMSELF! If schools had proper security (an unfortunate encumberment, but seemingly a necessary one), these shooting sprees wouldn't happen as often there. I think it's a shame that our country has based its law and order system around centralized power and CCTV, because the true power to defend oneself should rest with the people who actually need weapons for protection. Protection from both fellow citizens and from illegitimate government infringements on their life. Or is that not a worry to you (you know, that thing they call tyranny?)
Took me longer than 5 mins, and only covered the last half of it. To get back to the original post, LUST has achieved its goal of getting it advertised that LUFC is available for sale, and we now have an organisation in place to do just that (still awaiting confirmation on this day of deadline days though). As for Gary, I think his time is up. Or it should be. This was very bad judgment on his part, irrespective it was his brother. Time for LUST to go from strength to strength by getting a credible face for the organisation that can work sensibly with the club and represent the fans and understand what is best for the club in the long term, so that the owners can see clearly the benefit of having them on board. The other reason for losing Gary is that he may have burnt his bridges with the new owners, in much the same way that Lorimer has burnt his bridges with many supporters. Thanks for all you have done Gary, but the honorable thing to do is find a credible successor and step down.
It went rather off track, didn't it? My apologies, but my original contention was with the argument that a top Leeds fan was harbouring and financing some sort of heinour evil, when in fact I admire GC for sticking up for his family and think it's a shame for him that our legal system punishes free trade of guns and drugs. Anyway, back on topic, I hope that GFHC and LUST will be in close working contact in the future. Promising that they have already engaged with verboten media such as BBC Leeds, the Guardian and the Square Ball.
Depends on which knife and gun we are talking about. Not all knives and guns are for those purposes. Your answer is non responsive. "The sky is blue" might have been more constructive. <wink> The NRA just came up with that ludicrous suggestion too! Are you opining that there is tyranny in the UK?
I have never seen such a set of completely stupid, naive, anarchic, nonsensical, head-in-the-clouds proposals and ideas on how a society should run itself in one short paragraph before. Bravo Exodus, you have surpassed yourself.
I think it's quite appropriate that LUST is based in a city full of Leeds fans. Might come back to the gun stuff tomorrow, but it's derailing and becoming something of a trudge.
**** the mail, absolute scum journo for printing such crap, my vote will be yes for him to stay, why should he step down just as we see light at the end of the tunnel, there are plenty of other dire news story's to print its lazy journalism and as far as I'm concerned if you smear one leeds fan with **** like that you smear us all, M.OT Gary I for one am behind you all the way pal.
I thought the vote was over & an overwhelming majority of us (including me) voted for Gary to stay. TBH, even if I didn't think he was the man for the job, I would still have voted the same way. No way will I allow the press to make my decision for me, especially as it smells so strongly of Bates' involvement.
Press have nothing to do with any decision, GC has proved himself unprofessional, disconnected and a waste of space who has been in it for self promotion loooong before this story broke. Only reason he is linked to the story, which is truth btw, is because he courted the media and now he must live with it. I say again, muppet!
Yes, Leeds fans should definitely stop trying to have a voice and fighting for the emancipation of football supporters. Be silent, be servile!
Have a voice.....yes....but don't waste it on someone who never had your interests in mind, just his own.
I have to agree with Billy on this one, in my opinion (which counts for as little or as much as the next guys) GC is too self trumpet blowing, too limelight grabbing and he doesn't share the thoughts of one voice as that would be impossible. 8,000 members 100,000 plus Leeds fans, he doesn't represent 10% Add to that I am one of those 8k members and LUST have done a lot I disagree with and I know of others
At the end of the day, LUST was the only organized Leeds United group of fans that spoke out against the disgusting modus operandi of the Bates regime. Did anyone else speak up for even 1% of us? Very easy to sit on the sidelines and be critical. At least LUST did something. He was chosen by the group to lead. If you think you could do better, perhaps you would volunteer your time as he did. What would you have him do instead? No radio interviews? No tv interviews? No newspaper quotes? I, for one, think that LUST's work (yes it was work, not fun and games) played a huge part in Bates selling up. Well done chaps!
