That's fair enough, but I'm choosing to ignore that point because it's not in the article we're referring to and not relevant. Yet again it's just more spin! Whoever brought it up in this thread is making the assumption he's referring to his father passing when he's blatantly talking about his situation at Hull City in the article. It doesn't even mention his father. McShane referred to the worst two years of his life in the article as not playing for us whilst being on silly money. As it's been mentioned above he could have left us, played somewhere else and not made as much money but gotten the game time he's apparently been aching for. The option must have been there for him to leave, we loaned him out! I also don't like the way he's developed these gonads now that the previous managers are gone. I don't recall him commenting at the time...
Why do you believe that giving fair praise to one player detracts from others? It seems a bit daft to me, as that prohibits any reasonable acknowledgment of decent performance. As for the part you highlighted and call bollocks, where in it do I speak about universal praise? I read this and other City boards and he has pulled decent recognition from a wide range of posters who have previously slagged him. He also has had decent mention from his manager and players (as I mentioned) and the local/regional press have followed suit - that suffices for me and is all I referred to. You make too much effort to belittle his performances when it could be used to say well done and keep it up. If you don't enjoy being negative (a pity as you are very good at it) then perhaps you should stick to pulling to bits things folk have actually said!
It does almost seem like people have to hate him or else it means that we're saying the other defender's aren't up to standard... Nobody is blowing his performance's out of proportion really. I thought his MOTM's were well earned. He's been playing well and deserves praise. Why be so negative towards him?
So what are you referring to, as most of the negative ****e on here has focussed on contract and pay - the two things he deliberately avoids, in favour of form and team. I brought his fathers death up and it was intended as no more than a factor, among many, of what constitutes anyones 'worst years'. Does he have to voice every last thought in his head? Or perhaps the journo (from Dublin - almost worldwide! LOL) should have wrote his comments verbatim? As for your daft comments about moving on for less cash - why on earth would he? He has stuck it out, took the loans on the chin (he did okay with them) and turned it around under a new manager - one who previously sold him! FFS what is wrong with that?
No he doesn't have to voice every thought in his head and to be honest he'd be an idiot to complain about not playing whilst Pearson or Barmby were in charge because it wouldn't have helped his cause. I just don't see why someone should be able to get away with over exadgerating their situation to the press just because they're in good form at the moment and earning mega money. I'm not being negative before anyone jumps on my back and I don't love or hate any of our players. They're a group of pro's doing what they do and as a supporter I appreciate that. I do think McShane is one of the weak links however despite him not being a calamity at the moment. You're right about one thing, we shouldn't focus on money, let's take it out of the equation. He's already earned **** loads anyways so maybe it's not a factor to him? If your work is hell, you get a new job. If he felt so desperate to play and acted on this then we'd have been 18-25k a week better off back when we desperately needed to be.
Maybe he should have said 'My Dad dieing didn't help but the 25k a week meant I was still living the dream' ?
Hahaha! When did I say that!? I'm just going on what the article says and not contributing his father as a factor in McShane's comments as he doesn't mention him himself! For me it is about the money yes, or more the lifestyle the players get to have. It's the reason I think he shouldn't come out with phrases like '2 year hell'. I'd do some seriously ****ty jobs to have the lifestyle Paul McShane has. I agree with you that you should fight for your shirt and place. I don't like footballing mercenaries. But if McShane genuinely was 'in hell' here... why the **** would he stick around?
That's right, you're right, he did not mention it - did he have to for it to be a factor? Pedantic to a point, but yes you are correct, even though somewhat blinkered. I thought the money was not an issue? But we must remind our players to never tell the truth when asked questions by the media, just as they should be advisewd that when a manager drops them they should instruct their agent to find them a new club - claptrap, sorry but your argument is just as daft as the folk responsible for giving him his overpaid contract, or do you blame him for that as well?
It has maybe already been said on here but I thought, along with Kilbane, who was also on about 25k a week, McShane agreed to half his wages when we got relegated? I think I read somewhere that he had reduced his wages from 26k per week to 13k per week and just added the extra year to his contract so that he would still get the money but over a longer period?
That was only Killer, though apparently Macca's wages dropped below £20k when we got relegated, as he was one the few players with a relegation clause.
