Unfortunately it looks like he won't turn it around, lets take our chances with someone else before it's too late. I desperately wanted O'Neill here and I'm gutted it's all gone so badly, but we can't afford to allow him loads of time to fix it, we don't have it.
Martinez In my 36 yrs supporting the lads these are the most abject depressing performances I've seen. Unfortunately even I'm tiring of same old sh*te every week. Surely, MON is not stupid. He must see from bench robin post game analysis that we are rubbish. Now I'm no fan of Rodney Marsh but after Saturday's defeat he labelled us a pub team. Well if Saturday was a pub team tonight was worse than my Step-sons U7's. I'm seriously losing the will to live now with these so called performances. Something has to change and I'm slowly getting to the point where i don't care whether that's playing, coaching or managerial. Enough is enough....p.s QPR were abysmal and will be in the Championship with us next year! FTM
This is nowhere near as bad as the 15 or 19 point relegation seasons yet. I am worried though that we could go down and that O'Neill doesn't know how to change it. His substitutions last night were baffling and having Gardner on the right even more so
Seriously though who, because if Martinez won't leave for Liverpool, he certainly won't be leaving for Sunderland. It depends if its the points of performances. If it is the points I think he'll get them for you in the end, particularly if he can get his new Petrov in January. If it is the style of football i.e fairly direct counter attack then I can understand because he will always play that way, he always has.
Martinez is a good up a coming manager but i dont want him at Sunderland. If MoN decided himself he wanted to leave Sunderland the only other manager i would be happy with is Moyes. Martinez & some others that have been mentioned are a massive gamble IMO. MoN is a PROVEN manager with a good record he has not been at our club a full year yet FFS. We all need to back MoN. He will turn it around. We all take the piss out of Chelsea for changing managers every 10 minutes. Im KTF with MoN.
I would like Guardiola but like Moyes, it's never gunna happen. Yes O'Neill was proven before he came here but I don't care about that, I care about the fact that he is failing as a manager at our football club and looks to be taking us down to the championship. He is outdated, tactics are shocking, I'm never going to agree with his transfer policy (British only), he had his number 2 everywhere he went, but here and because of that he only looks half the manager. We don't change our managers constantly so people need to stop saying that. Bruce and Keane had a 2-3 years each. MON has had a year now and there's been no improvements, nor is they any signs that will change and in fact, we look to be getting worse. We have only won 2 games all season, both against 10 men. We last beat 11 men, 8 months ago. That is shocking. For me has to go and the sooner, the better.
The most abject and depressing?? We spent 2 seasons in the PL where we only got 34 points in total with the 2 seasons added together. We got relegated to the old 3rd division in 1987 - IMO that was way worse than this. What would happen in 9 months time IF Martinez came here and only just avoided relegation? No doubt you'd be asking for him to be sacked as well?? (That's a big if) I watched every one of the last 4 games - in all of them we have deserved something - we may have been pish against QPR but they didn't deserve anything more than a draw (and neither did we) Against Villa we deserved at least a point, Everton as well. We beat Fulham deservedly and did certainly not deserve to lose to West Brom considering the penalty which decided the game. We were awful against QPR and the level of performance was way below what we had done in the 4 games before it - so O'Neill had us playing some nice football and creating chances (more in the last 5 games than in the rest of the season I believe!) but we were awful the other night - if the level of performance is back to what we have the last few weeks (prior to last night) then I believe we'll win more than we'll lose. If the performance is the same as last night then I'm having to agree with most of the points but not to get rid of MON - simply because we have no-one to replace him with - Martinez is under no pressure to succeed at Wigan - if they finish 17th it's a successful season - if he came here he would inherit all the pressures that our fans are placing on O'Neill expecting a top 10 finish
Being relegated is looking more than just a possibility at this point in time. It was a miracle that MON saved the shyte squad left by Brucie last season but two seasons in a row with only 20 million to spend maybe a task to far for even the likes of MON. I think we will finish in the bottom 6 without a shadow of a doubt and look like serious relegation contenders but MON should stay, he needs a 3 seasons to make his mark. It may take a relegation to clear out the squad that we have today. It will be a disaster because the likes of Sessegnon could have went for 20 million in the summer and we will be lucky to get 6 or 7 if we are relegated. If we can just say stop up, another 20 million might give us a team capable of staying clear of the bottom six next season.
That's ridiculous, with a good scouting system you don't need 20m every transfer window. West Brom and Newcastle are good examples.
I'd happily place a bet that both Newcastle and West Brom will be relegated once again within 5 years.
People need to stop dreaming about the likes of Moyes and wake the **** up. He wouldn't come here if we were the last club on earth. I, like most want MON to turn this around but also think he is running out of time. I honestly think he is one or two bad result away from the sack. The defence is keeping him in a job because if these results turn to 3's and 4's (which I think will happen over the next 4/5 games) he will be gone. Then who. Well, I would take Di Mateo in a shot. Martinez, maybe but Whelan would want £10m and I think he's a bit like Bruce in the fact that he's better at a smaller club. Curbishley, No. Hoddle, Maybe, been out of the game a while but knows what the word pass means. After that we go abroad and that a whole pie in the sky shot in the dark.
Admire your optimisim but it seems your red n white tinted spectacles are slightly clouding your judgment! West Brom game was nowhere near decided by a penalty, QPR are bottom yet a point at home to them seems acceptable. Its not what you think you deserve its more to do with what you got. Shows how ficle football is. MoN was the messiah anda year later he has the team scoring no goals, tactically poor(so I am told) and struggling at the bottom. I thought he was a good manager and maybe with time he may prove that
A bit of reality, two very good suggestions. Hoddle is a fantastic manager who was royally shat on by the FA who got sucked into to another media which hunt. Sacking him because of his beliefs was just not on. I don't believe in god so the idea of one to me is equally as ridiculous as Hoddles beliefs. So if a manager or player thanks god post match, should they be sacked or left out? Hoddle left the blueprint for Chelsea, the likes of Vialli and Gullit benefited from his groundwork. He would need patience and time though. Di Matteo would be hungry and has a good record. Talk of Moyes, Martinez, even maybe Solksjaer etc is just pie in the sky. They've turned down bigger jobs or already have one. More than anything fans need to decide (ours too) is it his style of play or results that is making them want him gone? If its results he needs time, a lot of time. But if its style that is only going to get slightly more pretty under MON because he likes a certain way of playing which is about results not beauty.
Well that's an easy one to answer. When your in the bottom 4/5, winning on average 1 every 11/12 then it's all about results. I (and every one else I expect) would have been over the moon If Mig punted one over Green's head in the 94th minute. It wouldn't hide that fact that we were rubbish but rubbish and winning is a little bit better than rubbish and not. Wins breed confidence. West Brom are not a top 6 side but the confidence is sky high. West Ham and even Southampton are other examples.
