I don't pretend to know everything about football, but I reckon I know a winger when I see one, and Aidy White just ain't one! I remember seeing his debut, and though that he looked promising. How long ago was that though? I'm still waiting on that promise. What does he actually do for us? How many assists does he have? How many successful crosses has he made? In fact, what has he ever done for us (apart from score 1 goal)? I get it - he's fast & he has promise, but bugger me - first team material? I think not. We should have let him go in the summer. Someone try to convince me I'm wrong. Please. Convince me there is a case for him to continue in the first team. And don't mention pace - it's done him **** all use so far! Btw, does this sound grumpy enough to be Boab standard?
I think that unlike lees or bryam, he has had not had a settled role. He is one minute a left back, then left winger then right winger. If he was allowed to develope in one or two positions even, that would be useful. Bryam has played right back right wing, Lee's centre back , right back. Look at Peltier his experience and he was played at left back and was Carp. Youngsters need a good run without being chopped and changed in my opinion. Maybe the team in general should stop being played out of position and settled as possible.
WJ I was frustrated at White playing at right wing and moaned like **** for him to get played at the left wing (thiking he would frighten the opposition) turns out hes **** at both and can't defend think we should sell him and use the money for someone better.
If Warnock plays him in the role that he's shown promise in, in behind the forward(s), he'll flourish. If he persists in starting him, not starting him, starting him, not starting him, on the right we will never see the best of him. For me, he was exactly what we needed on the pitch yesterday. When we (rarely) ran at them we actually looked like we could do something. He's the only player with any pace in our team, thats something you can't teach. He just needs a good coach to help get the best out of him and playing in the right place.
WJ I was at White's debut, vs Palace at Elland Road in the League Cup when we won 5-0 (think it was Becchio's debut too). Must be over four years ago now. Remember thinking this kid's got something about him, wasn't much of him as he was only 16, but true potential. He simply hasn't progressed much at all since then. I always saw him as a marauding LB a la Tony Dorigo (we wish!). Put it this way, you wouldn't have seen Dorigo playing right side of midfield! Grayson should've persevered with him at LB. Instead of that he loaned him out to Oldham, who played him wide right, whilst playing the likes of Andy Hughes and God forbid O'Dear at LB at the start of last season at Southampton. No wonder White's lost his way...and his confidence
Still haven't heard a case for his inclusion, guys. Whatever position he plays, he can't do the simple thing like get a decent cross in. I keep hearing about defenders hating him running at them, but what damage has it ever done? 1 goal. Few, if any, assists. No telling passes. Just a lot of running about and losing the ball. I'm not convinced that putting a player out on loan or playing him in a different position will damage his confidence, far less curtail his development. If anything, he should take confidence from the fact that the manager is willing to play him at all, and doubly so that the manager has confidence in him playing in an alien role. He should be grasping these development opportunities, but to me, he clearly hasn't. Even when I think back to his debut now, I remember being excited by the way he cut through the defence time & time again, but as I pause for reflection, I can't remember him getting in a telling cross. I guess I was a lot more forgiving then, but after all this time (is it really 4 years???) I'm getting more & more disappointed by him. The breakthrough just hasn't happened. Time for him to go ....
Right player, wrong system. We play a very narrow system based on long ball football and generally the ball only gets played out to the wing about 10 foot in the air. I'd like to see White and Byram playing as wing-backs, with two centre-backs and Green acting as a sweeper/midfield shield. This would allow us to break quickly and unleash the likes of Hall, Diouf and McCormack. At the moment we look so slow.
Wilco, I was actually thinking the same thing myself at the weekend, as we could have 3 decent CBs if Pelts moves over. Like the idea of Byram as a wingback, but not White, I'm afraid. End product is the problem in my book. I've got tired of him bombing down the wing & then nothing happens. He's never, ever been a decent crosser. Time to learn the basics! The other problem I thought of was that Hall is supposed to have been bought as a winger. Can you imagine the furore if Warnock played him in the middle, out of position? I can! I'd also like to see him do what we bought him for - on the wing (was it just me, or did he drift into the middle quite a lot on Sunday?). I just wonder if the answer to the question might be to move Byram or Hall over to the left. I'm not sure if they're capable (although I've got a funny feeling that Byram played on the left early this season (might be wrong!). Only other problem would be suspensions or injuries. Where's our backup wingbacks or CBs? I like your positive thinking though!
All good points WJ White has certainly looked clueless of late and I would have thought that Drury was 1st choice for LB. I like the idea of Hall at LW but wonder whether Warnock will put McCormack there now that he's fit again. Kenny
Sorry, pressed enter by mistake. Was going to say that next week's team could be: Kenny Byram Peltier Lees Drury Hall Green Tonge McCormack Diouf Becchio
I really don't understand this, given Warnock's claim that "we're down to the bare bones"? http://www.leedsunited.com/news/201...2985124?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
So basically the same ****e team as yesterday - except McCormack in for Varney. Same ****e hoofball 'tactics' no doubt.
Well the tactics are down to Warnock and I hope he realises soon that his route one approach is not getting results. Having Green protecting the back 4 should allow Hall and McCormack to create space on the wings. Or you could play Diouf on the right, Hall on the left and McCormack up front. But if I see Kenny or one of our back 4 aimlessly hoof the ball upfield again then I will scream.
Drop becchio and we play football, All He does is diffuse any progressing moves and doesnt do anything to release the wingers.
Like we did against Watford and Brighton? We launch it upfield 50 yards and people expect him to bring it down and lay it off with 2 or 3 defenders around him. Thats not his game, we're not playing to his strengths any more. Becchio hasn't suddenly become poor overnight, we've completely changed the system. That's why Warnock isn't starting him every game, because he doesn't fit into his system. In the past we've got the ball out wide to the likes of Gradel, Snoddy and even Johnson and Becchio got in the box or alongside/inside them. We don't have that now, we play as narrow as we possibly can, hoof it upfield in the hope that someone will either control it on a sixpence, or get a flick onto one of our pacey strikers..... oh wait on we don't have any!
Agree totally, you just have to look at the younger Byram - White will never be on par with him and how long do we keep describing him as 'promising'.
I felt the bare bones comment was pathetic when you looked at our bench yesterday, White, McCormack and Norris all with plenty of first team experience.
Is byram really that good either. Will make a decent career but dont see anything thats going to make him a good footballer. White has gone backwards and think he got messed about at the vital time of his development. Also because our side is so slow, he looks faster than he actually is
Diouf is half the reason we look slow. Sack him off and get someone better in. Oh wait, he's cheap. I forgot we only get cheap players
White has been such a disappointment this season. I was well happy at the time he signed his contract, but he's been ****e since. He needs a good run in the side, along with Ryan Hall, as they are the only players in our side who offer any kind of pace. Plus it can't get much worse than it is already, given the resources. And when McCormack is fully fit, it stick the uninterested Diouf on the bench.
