It seems to me that instead of using the term incorrectly, people do not know the meaning of it. This is taken from the OED; I think both of these describe both Wooter and Payne.
You just made it worse(if not meant to be a joke) Payne,bit player wouldnt even be heard of outside Herts, you cant be called famous cos you are the only other person on earth with a voice like Dyche.'Speed and ferocity in attack'' I must have been queuing for a cup of tea when that happened. Wooter, good to watch and need his type in the game....but hardly a successful career
They might not have been the best, but if I know their names then they must be pretty famous or well known.
Sterling, Holden were fine,but not really the Wooter type of player? Been reminded, Steve Terry was no mean performer . Daniel,come to the conclusion you just wanna get people going,nobody can seriously be as full of 'emselves as you make yerself out to be.
Not often I dare agree with you Nick as I am never really sure how much of your tongue is in your cheek - but I do on this. To be a legend in footballing terms you certainly need to be better than Wooter and Payne - sorry BBW. Even among Watford fans I doubt either of those would make it anywhere near an all time 50 best - so if your definition of legend is just that a Watford football supporter has heard of you then the term loses its meaning
As winter sets in here in Sweden I seem to have a lot more time to spend enjoying Watford games on the radio. I've also had a chance to snoop in on the opposition fans discussions, last week Leeds and now the Wolves fans. First thing is I really like the fact that they all think that "Wee Watford" are so average, one Wolves fan saying "They have an air of a club destined for Championship obscurity for years to come", it's always there team that played badly. I hope this goes on for a while. It makes me feel like we are some nerdy little nobody with a super hero alter ego able to defeat the mightiest of foes (well recently Leeds and Wolves) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq2KXudEjkI I will also add that the Wolves fans seem a lot more rational and level headed in there view of the match even if they think we're the football equivalent of Eric Twinge, there are many Wolves fans saying how it was a definite red even though if it was the other way round I think I'd be feeling a little aggrieved. I guess compared to Leeds fans they could of just mashed the keyboard and still sounded more intelligent. Long live our secret identity. Banana anyone? Kom igen, du orns
The red card, as Dan said, was quality refereeing rarely seen. Love the Wolves fans going off on one about it. In actual fact both Deeney and the red did everything they could to keep the guy on the pitch. Deeney stayed upright when 99% of players would have gone down and made the decision easy. The ref played advantage so if Deeney scores he probably only books the player. It was a foul, he was the last man, ergo red card. The talk of it being "controversial" basically condones players need to go down easy to get a decision.
Surely even someone who moves in such exalted circles as yourself must know the names of one or two people yet to acquire fame....not that in this "celebrity" culture of ours it takes a great deal...
Thats fair enough. But these two players played when I was young andhad both moved on by the time I started attending games. So I have only heard of them through others. So the fact that they have been praised and I know of them, just shows that they were more than just your regular player.
It shows no such thing...only that you are happy to listen to "others", whoever they might be, and assume that their judgement of these players is more accurate than many of us who watched them week in, week out. The word legend has a perfectly good etymology but if you choose to use words to mean just what you want them to mean you are unlikely to have a sensible debate with anyone. It's strange how this hectoring tone of yours brings out the worst in one or two of us...
Personally I think the term Legend is used far too easily, but the club uses the term as it's part of the "Legends Corporate Package" in the Legends lounge and they can hardly call them something different. But I would not call Wooter and Payne "Legends" - for me it should be restricted to those we hold in the highest esteem, for example Luther would be a legend. Good to see FF voted as MOTM yesterday
Leonardo, half the time cant tell meself whether I'm being serious or not,so can hardly expect others to. Players I listed tho were serious suggestions if we HAVE to use terms like Legends. There would be several more could add of course.Could certainly provide some non-serious ! You surely cannot give someone such an accolade just on the say-so of someone else tho ? In the case of Payne cant help thinking it was the SUGGESTOR who had tongue in cheek.
Not sure I agree there Leo. Whilst our next three games are emminently winnable ones, they are followed by a couple of tough home games in Hull & Forest. Us being only five points behind at that point would be cause for Hull to be wary - but us being in the top ten as well would be an added psychological advantage for us IMO.
Blimey,no wonder I get frivolous at times. Only November and already talk of a club being wary of another in the table.Even after games mentioned are played, still many left to play, Its all beyond me, can understand people getting a bit excited if their team is points ahead of others at the top- or ringing the Samaritans if already several points adrift of all others..but otherwise especially in this division gotta be all pretty irrelevant at moment. Who'd be a Football Manager ? Theo,you must speak for yourself there, some of us are as near-damned perfect as it gets.
I have a horrible feeling Nick that i am going to agree with you again - each of the players on your list were streets ahead of the other two - maybe what Dan meant was that they were leg ends.
It would have been a bit of a travesty not to have won that match. Though Wolves more than matched us at first, I always thought that they were defending too high up the pitch and relying on the off-side trap. We were always likely to catch them out, and so it proved--the red card came from Deeney breaking through and the defender resorting to violence. After the sending off we always looked favourites for the win. Their goal was a freak really--a bit like the one Foster conceded at Spurs a few years ago--but we came back strongly , as was inevitable with all that talent on the pitch. Forestieri was excellent and so was Chalobah. If only Hogg and Chalobah could learn to shoot, we would go into every game expecting to score at least three goals. When we score first at home then teams must commit forward more, leaving themselves open to the counter,which is now one of our strong suites. I suppose teams will be doing their homework on us now and will be trying to figure out how to deal with our creative players, but I do feel this team will get better and better.
A good win yesterday, made to work hard for it by Wolves. Thought our opener was scored from a terrific move. We had some excellent opportunities in the second half that we did not capitalise on. The sending off was by no means as clear cut as some here think, not to the literal letter of the laws at least, though I would not argue against the morality of the decision. It was not excessive force or violent conduct. Nor, technically, was the goal scoring opportunity denied - Deeney got his shot away. It would appear to me that the referee made the decision before Deeney shot - given that Deeney was being pulled back for maybe 15 nearly 20 yards that is understandable - which means he did not let the 'advantage' unfold. Alas I could not hear the whistle blow and the referee is out of shot (iplayer, I don't know what the Hornetplayer shows). To the letter a yellow card would be the correct decision. It will be interesting to see if Wolves appeal and if it is successful. I suspect they will and I think it might just be successful, albeit on something of a technicality.
From my seat in the Upper Rous I had a perfect view of the "red card" incident. Deeney was running though on goal and likely to be one- on- one with the keeper. The defender grappled with him, desperately pulling him back over several yards. Though Deeney stayed on his feet and got a shot away, he was without a doubt impeded and denied a clear goal scoring opportunity. The defender was the last man too. Not marginal at all. The free kick came to nothing , so a yellow card would have let Wolves benefit from a blatant foul . The ref was right! A deliberate foul in that position should carry consequences, otherwise the game is ruined.
