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Definite red- he tried to wipe him out but he was so wound up by being given the runaround that he even missed with his wild swipe. Bobby Moore looked more Titus Bungle at Liverpool. As for Owen, his only achievement was his goal against Sunlun and no effort in the relegation run in. No missed chances just no running. For me it was Obafemi Martins doing the missing to send us down

 

hmm i disagree, football is really turning into a non contact game if thats a definite red, i mean if he wanted to get him he would have got him... he missed by a decent distance, and just because his foot was high everyones going mad

 

He left for free because his contract expired. He'd been booed or otherwise treated like **** by the fans for about 4 years prior, and had absolutely no reason to stay.
I haven't heard anything about us paying his wages beyond his contract and I can't see any reason why that would have happened. Have you got any info about that?

 

Ridiculous statement, I would take money from a business all day long that I was entitled too, no matter how much I already had in the bank, and so would anybody with any common sense.

 

You obviously weren't around on forums around that period then! Here is PART of it http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/sport/newcastle-united/2009/06/28/toon-s-owen-wage-shock-79310-24002635/, if I really have to do all the research for you, I'll try find the bit on him specifically taking money from the club for a period at Man Utd when I can

Safc, it's not ridiculous to me, because I love the club and therefore think someone taking money from it unnecessarily when we've been relegated, and the contract has expired, and they've done feck all to keep us up, is untactful. If someone did the same to your club, would you think it ridiculous? Probably not, because I imagine you love Sunderland!

Just because I understand a particular player doesn't share my passion for a club, and is only interested in money, thus eeking out everything possible without a second thought, does not mean I have to like it, does it? It is a stupid law which gave someone who wasn't prepared to fight it out in the championship (hence he didn't renegotiate a wage, when he was happy to sit on the bench at OT for £30,000 (less than a lot of the players who stayed on at the club were taking as wages) a lot of money! You try being happy about that mate

 

Can I also point out that you say "entitled"? If there's a stupid law (and they do exist, like hanging someone for nicking a sheep in Scotland) that grants you that money, why would the EMPLOYER be happy about that??? I take it that was just a wind-up comment, then. You're hilarious

 

Got nothing at all against Owen, I think the majority of our fans have the wrong end of the stick with him. The anger needs directed in a different direction, namely Freddie Shepherd. End of the day he did exactly what I expected him to. People wanted him to be something he has never been, a Craig Bellamy type grafter. It was never his game and he was never the man for a relegation fight.

He's wrong here though, it was awful from Colo. He tried to maim him for me and missed out of sheer anger.

 

Looking back at comments on the old 606 trying to find the evidence for Marvo, you can see just how much anger there was at him from fans, even while he was still with us which bemused me. Unfortunately there seems to be a period of time for which no articles exist on 606, but they were probably all taken down by the old 606 mods . I don't believe any of the users on here were slating him at the time, and while he played for us, I don't think he was worthy of the criticism. He tried hard in games, played his natural game and was unfortunately injured a lot. That happens. Being on high wages wasn't his fault either. I definitely don't hate Owen, or dislike him for playing "poorly" for the club, or even leaving, which he has a right to do. The common complaints were that he lacked "passion" and "work-ethic"... Did we think we'd signed Stevie G instead?

On the goal count, he did ok, and his overall record is very good (though he didn't play many games). The season we went down he was as poor as most of our players, and his finishing in particular was woeful as memory serves. That, I can see people being annoyed about, and I think as a pro-footballer you deserve stick for not doing your job well. But I don't hate him for that.

Taking money when he's left, while we're preparing for Championship life and trying to cut costs is c**tish, though. Everyone is a c**t to some degree, and unfortunately after we were good to him by paying his wages and sticking by him, he's done something that's hard to take from a fan perspective and a c**t he has been.

 

I didn't use the old 606 much, so I must have missed when that came up or I forgot about it. It's nonsense anyway though, as that article was posted on the 28th of June and he signed for Man Utd on the 3rd of July, meaning we wouldn't have paid anything. I honestly can't believe those clauses exist anyway and I haven't found anything from a more reputable source, so you're criticising him for something that never actually happened.

 

I am positive it happened, because I remember reading articles and articles about it on 606. As yet, all I get when searching "Michael Owen <insert anything related to Newcastle, wages, Man utd, or a combination of the three", is articles that revolve around him signing for Stoke or articles about him having fracas with journos

But I'll keep looking, no need to be a cock about it!

 

I'm not meaning to be a cock, it's just that even if the clause existed, which it most likely wouldn't, the time between when his contract expired (June 30th according to Wikipedia) and the time he signed for Man Utd (July 3rd) means that we wouldn't have paid him anything.

 

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Newcastle-still-paying-Manchester-United-signing-Michael-Owen-Exclusive-article27770.html

Boom!

 

you're complaining about my sauce and using wikipedia???

I've said I'll keep looking man, be patient

 

Oh Pulp, my hero! Rep for you when I'm unlocked!

Thank you very much.

 

And he's gone offline, what a surprise

Oh well, cheers again Pulp, you legend!

I'm off to do some work, have a good day chaps!

 

Nothing from either club, player, agent, anything. I don't buy it.

In terms of dates for things like that Wikipedia is reliable. In terms of contracts tabloids are not.

 

http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/section-6-players_2293633_2125731#64

Have a read of this and see what you can make of it. I'm not really knowledgable about some of the terms used here, but it certainly looks possible that we kept paying Owen.

 

Sorry but if I was in a situation whereby I was due money after the end of my contract (if that is the case), I'd take that money all day long! Again you have to question the person who made that situation possible. Owens problem was that he took on the mantle that Shearer left behind. The big money striker, who scored goals for fun. The difference being Shearer didn't need a great team around him to do that. Owen did and always had done.

At the time there were people who were accusing him of not trying because he wasn't chasing down lost causes. He never had and people were aware of that when he signed but never batted an eyelid. He was also accused of being a traitor because he tried to get himself fit to play in a major championship for the national side. What an evil bastard eh? I'd have done the exact same thing! And so would Shearer and any other self respecting footballer!

His form and finishing undoubtedly suffered under the intense scurtiny and pressure of relegation. All strikers have bad patches. His came at a bad time and was as much to do with the rest of the team as anything else. I honestly struggle to get at him, simply because we got what it said on the tin!

 

I think the relevant paragraph (64.7) only applies to players under 24, and it's also only if the original club wants a compensation fee, but haven't offered the player a deal better than what he was already earning. If the original club waives their compensation fee they won't have to make up the difference in wages if he signs a lower deal with another club (though I'm not a lawyer so I may well be wrong!).

I've heard of players wages being 'made up' after they've left the club if they've been transferred against their wishes and signed a lower wage deal with another club, but I don't think it applies to contract expiries.
Either way we certainly weren't paying him for 'months' which was Privateandrewmalone's original claim.

 

Get over it you pedantic tosser You've just changed your argument to appear right! I was wrong about the months thing, but premier league regulations say 4 weeks, as the Mirror clearly states. But I'm sorry, unless it's on Wikipedia, it's not believable

Reading the rules of this year under article V is soooo bland, but it clearly states it is possible upon expiration of a contract to have to continue paying the basic wage beyond expiry for a period of 4 weeks. It emphasizes terms "favourable" over "unfavourable" now when switching registration from one club to the next (and incase you didn't notice, going from £110,000pw to £30,000pw isn't favourable!), and makes reference to previous rules under article M of previous years, meaning it is entirely possible if not absolutely probable that the Mirror's version of events is correct

Now, obviously I wanted a fair and balanced view, so I've tweeted Michael Owen and asked... Little money grabbing c**t hasn't replied as yet!