As you seem to be having great difficulty comprehending anything that I said and have simply resorted to likening me to a Nazi, I thought I'd better spell it out. SFC4BAG stated an opinion about the formation of a black only union. From a multi-cultural perspective i.e. people already living in complete harmony, his observation regarding "x" only organisations is one shared by many. You however simply stuck the boot in, inferring that his opinion was in itself, racist. I pointed out that I thought SFC4BAG's comment was fair. You didn't understand my analogy. I clarified my earlier statement and qualified it by explaining how race is simply not an issue for whole swathes of society now, based on extensive personal experience but that this view itself should in no way be construed as racist. You then start talking about people being removed from the problem as opposed to commenting on my viewpoint of inclusion. Once again I explain. SFC4BAG, whom you earlier accused of being racist, tells us about his own, quite evidently, non racist life. Failing to comprehend any single facet of this conversation, you then suggest that I'd be a welcome member of the Nazi party. Now, as it happens. My Mrs is also an immigrant and we have just had our first little girl. So, that's two people in one thread you've accused of racism without any substance whatsoever to your claims. What you have demonstrated quite nicely is that you either cannot read or only see what you want to see.
This is an internet football forum of which i am a member which also means i can post on this board, see what i'm getting at?
If you're not going to be constructive and engage with the debate then bore off, there are enough antagonists on this board already.
Are non whites really a monority in football, i agree in football management they are but are there really that many more white players than non white
It's irrelevant if they're a minority in football. They're a minority in the country. Racism comes from the people in the stands more than it comes from people on the pitch, and whites dominate the stands.
According to this from about 3 years ago, "more than 30%" of players in English football are black, so yes they are clearly a minority. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/aug/10/black-list-voice-football
Bovril Haven't replied with quote for want of trying to keep this all on one page. In an attempt to keep this short and amicable. I did understand your analogies, I just don't agree with them - you are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. I didn't accuse either of you of being racist - the point I am making is that, in my opinion, it is views like these that create situations like this. In terms of the nazi comment now you are just being a drama queen - it was a tongue in cheek comment. Should have probably done a smily winky thing but not really my style. And just a quick question regarding the comment about not needing more unions, etc - do you not think that some players like Jason Roberts have tried to address the issue with the current union? At what point do people say enough is enough you are not taking my views seriously and I am passionate enough about this to want to form a separate body to protect my and like minded people's views? That is the premise for my views which is the likes of Jason Roberts believe they need to do this - that is a fact. They wouldn't do this lightly- my opinion. Everything else is really noise as far as I'm concerned. But please it's not my style to insult so apologies if that is how it came across.
Cheers PO10. Please now regard me as officially unoffended (although apparently still a drama queen) Anyway, dealing with the very specific issue at hand I think it's sad that one should be required but if a black/minority players' union is felt to be necessary by those who would become subscribers, who am I to argue?! I would suggest that it's actually more black/minority representation within the FA that's actually required but only death is going to separate the majority of those dinosaurs from their posts and of course, the FA is where the problems (or those of resolution) actually lay in the first place!
Agreed and I think we are making the same point but in a cause and effect manner. The cause is the poor representation in the existing bodies (the point you make which I agree with) the effect of this is the requirement for a remedy being removal of the dinosaurs (unlikely) so therefore a break away union. (Which is what I was trying to clumsily explain before) Without the cause there is no effect.
It's not really been mentioned I don't think but it has crossed my mind that these players might believe the best way of getting these stuffy old organisations to take their demands seriously is to at least threaten to form a breakaway union.
People are making too much of a deal about this racism thing. Just treat people all the same regardless of their colour.
Please explain why you think that. Here's why I think the exact opposite: He asserts that the solution to "people making a big deal about racism" (absurdly implying that the problem is not racism itself but people making a big deal about it) is to "treat people the same regardless of colour", which is so obvious as to be completely worthless. Does he think it just hadn't occurred to racists to treat everyone the same? Or does he think that if we treat everyone the same (which ignores their different needs and values) that determined racists will just go away? Or just that people will stop making a big deal about it? It's nonsensical and any actual point you manage to extract is pretty difficult for any rational person to agree with.
What Taddy said. It's all well and good, but everyone is already very familiar with the sentiment. Saying "let's all just not be racist" isn't going to help eradicate racism. A big deal needs to be made of it. That's how progress has always been made. We're not going to convert many racists, but making a big deal out of it will help to ensure that future generations are less racist.
Obviously i dont know you from adam, but from the rubbish that you post on here you seem to have a very high opinion of your own opinion fullstop. Taddy is making the point that many of us are fed up to back teeth with this constant media covergae of racism - the coverage is out of proportion to amount of racism in English football. The vast majority of us wish for all colours & creeds to be treated equally - from all sides - but there is not an epidemic of racism that requires endless coverage.
