It wasn't a red card - My stance on Tiote.

I think it was a yellow, he's caught Fletcher because he was slightly late but the impact was brief to say the least and certainly not full-bodied. Maybe Tiote has got away with a few wayward tackles before yesterday and the ref (who couldn't see the incident properly) reacted to that?

 

The ref is supposed to pass judgement on the game in hand, not some other game from the past.

It was never a red card in my, or indeed in most peoples opinion.

 

Although this is supposed to be the case, it quite often isn't - look at Suarez at the moment, a number of decisions should have been given in his favour in recent matches but his reputation for diving precedes him and so refs assume he dived. Yes it is own fault and someone needs to tell him the story of Peter and the Wolf, but I think it shows that refs do take into account (intentionally or otherwise) a player's reputation. Not saying that it's right or that this was the case with Tiote - but I do think that perhaps Mr Atkinson likes the power that wielding some coloured cards gives him ....

Probably going to get fined by the FA for that

 

To be fair Mrs Magpie think the same is happening with Jelavic as well.

 

which is indeed a nice story to tell Mr Suarez, but I think you're thinking of 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf' from Aesop's Fables

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My honest view is he was late for the challenge and it was high, so that's a red card technically.
HOWEVER, the only reason he was late was because he was being pulled back continuously meaning that he was committed to a tackle that he could have made if moving at his regular pace. As he was checked back, he was slower and hence late. These circumstances to me mean it was a yellow, as he clearly was fouled before-hand (we did get the free kick), he wasn't trying to hurt anyone and if under no pressure could have won the ball.
Tiote is clearly an excellent footballer, despite Townsend and the rest talking him down just because he plays in black and white. Sometimes he is too committed but this is what makes him a fearsome opponent. When players play this role for the big clubs (Song, Makelele etc) they are praised, at our not quite so big club, they are rebuked for trying to stop the opposition playing football. It's the same set of mis-matched rules which referees and pundits play by every week and it's boring.
Lastly, ITV are complete and utter ****pots. Why choose the same 2 English teams to show in the live matches every week? I'm fed up with the commentators pleasuring themselves over a load of ten year old Liverpool players (a la Jimmy Saville.....allegedly) who aren't even very good. Sterling and Suso show promise, but these players will not win anything big with that crock of s**t players around them and a technically clueless and exceedingly smug manager.
Rant over....for now.

 

Townsend ha he's so full of it him.

 

Not even a yellow in my opinion, late cos being pulled back and if you check the tv pics he actually tried to pull his foot back at the last second. Contact was with the side of his foot and minimal.
Worst from tv is the shot of the refs view, he could not possibly have seen if there even was contact at all from his position but then he was abysmal all game. Larsson defo handball. Ref cost us the game no question.

 

It was a yellow for the high leg and nothing more. He went for the ball. I was gutted for Tiote but fair play the boys were brilliant, very proud of their resilience.


and colo...colo, colo, colo

 

If you think of it this way, Larson was pulling Tiote back thus slowing him down, causing him to be late... if he wasn't pulled back he could have timed it correctly

 

I can't believe what some of you guys are saying... This is NOT a red, and I don't know what Pardew is smoking, and here's why it isn't:

-He was getting pulled back, fair enough the ref gives a free kick to him, but he was trying to keep possession of the ball and as Fletcher came in, the whistle had JUST gone. He had less than a second to react there and its NO REASON to call him for anything late. Hell if that were the case, everybody might as well go play FIFA 2005 where the play just stops after the whistle. We are humans and which human in the world has a 0.005 reaction time

-Next, did everybody discussing this miss Steven Fletcher clearing the ball and already ready to go down? He obviously knew what he was doing and he cleared the ball into touch and his body was in an inclined position and was always going down from there onward. Don't believe me? Go check the replay again.

-Steven Fletcher writhing like a sniper had got him was besides the point. Everybody in the league does that.

-For those of you claiming his foot was high, you gotta be kidding me. If his foot was high, then let's outlaw the block tackle. When players have possession of the ball anywhere around shin level you can't try to win it.

-Face it, the only way the foot is high and worth a red card is in situations like - Ruud Van Nistelrooy stamp on Ashley Cole's knee

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THIS is HIGH AND a RED
Atkinson had a horrible game, make no mistake about it. He gave free kicks to Benny for fouling the hell out of that redhead.
Cheick should never have been given a red. A warning for him to calm things was fair enough. What the hell was Atkinson thinking. Even a yellow might've been fine. If footballers can't accept missed tackles that hit them in their shin, then perhaps they go take up basketball or something. There is a reason players wear shin guards to protect their bodies. It is a part and parcel of football to receive knocks one way or another, and it wasn't a malicious challenge, furthermore, Fletcher came in expecting contact since Cheick had the ball. This is basic football sense, and he made a meal of it.

 

Was a yellow at best for me, the ref was so biased it was unbelievable. A derby match with bitter rivals we get 4 yellows 1 red Sunderland 0 Cards says it all.

He caught the player but studs weren't up, and had it been any other player in the PL (Except Clatteremall), it would have been a yellow. It is a case of reputation and the ref itching to hand his cards out.
If the ref had any common sense he'd have taken into account that it was a derby, gave him a yellow and a ticking off then let the game flow.

 

Makes no odds for me. Perch had a blinder when he came and I have no problems if he starts in that role on Sunday. He seems to add a bit of a calming influence in the middle. Anita isn't ready for that role in the prem yet.

 

I have to say at first I pretty much thought as you thought but having seen it again I'd say it's probably just about a red. The ball is on the ground and Tiote is 2 feet above it. 5 years ago it wasn't a red but in this day and age you can't do that. Not saying I agree but that's the state of the game. The ref called it to the rules, but watch similar tackles all season only get a yellow.

 

The ball was not on the ground in the footage I watched?

 

50/50 Tiote caught him, you see it every week. Most players (Tiote & Clatteremall being the exception) would have got a yellow for it

 

It was bouncing before but at the moment of contact it's long since stopped.

 

Neither was it anywhere near Fletch.

 

the foot landed exactly wear the ball was like a half a second before - Fletcher rolled over athousand times and there was nothing the matter with him. Anyway Tiote should have pulled out of the tackle and thats the lesson.

 

Ok, sure, whatever, if you say so.