It's not Adkins that should be held accountable for the teams performances , it's the man responsible for the formation , tactics and purchases.........
If however he is fully responsible for the above he should be thrown out straight away and deemed unfit ever to get involved in football again .
Firstly, it's my opinion, tosh or not. It is not fact, but it is my view. I truly believe that part (not all) of the down fall of our club in the not too distant past, was the instability at management level. We had too many changes in too few a number of years. I can only go by the experiences I have witnessed and Saints were great with Ted Bates at the helm for years. When I say "great", I mean we progressed over the period he was in charge. We then brought in Lawire Mac and we coninued to progress, even after he managed to get us relegated in his first season. From the point that Lawrie left, our progression then halted for years as we kept making changes. No one was given time. Look at United with Fergie. He struggled early on and they stuck by him and he turned them into a winning and successful beast. Look at Wenger; he changed football as well as Arsenal and before someone says that they haven't won anything for seven years, I think they have progressed off the field and that was part of his remit. In life, there are very, very few steady progression curves; there is always peaks and troughs, yet it is those with the underlying progression over a period that do best and become the strongest. I read on here earlier that we MUST stay up becasue the football money is so big next season. Poppycock. No matter how big that money is, three teams will still get relegated and I bet that those three teams don't all go straight back up. It is obvious to me that Nigel Adkins is a very well educated student of the game. He has very thorough methods and an apetite to take on new information and try different methods. He has had big success over a short managerial career. He took S****horpe into the championship... S****HORPE for crying out loud. They were relegated and then he took them back up again. I'll write that again. In his first experience with S****horpe in the Championship (a league he had never been in before), he got them relegated. He took them back up the following season because he learned and changed. I strongly believe that Nigel Adkins can be a good Premier League manager. I agree, that things are not going great for him at the moment looking at his first 8 (eight) games. I bet he has understood a little bit more about the players he has got and have re-assessed some of those players in terms of Premier league capability or not. I see a man who is trying to get things right with what he has. Staying in the Premier League brings massive financial rewards, however the progression long term of our club is what is key to me. For two years I have believed that he has shown all the signs of being the correct man to progress this club and if we get relegated this season, then I believe it will be a trough rather than a peak and we will continue to progress. He will become stronger. If we change now, I believe we could potentially starting our progression all over again with a new man, new ideas. Nigel has worked at this for two years and we are entering year three for him. Stick with him.
So after half a dozen sub-standard games in his first season at the top flight you would condemn him to never work in football again? Seriously?
I don't believe the Cortese conspiracy stuff but Adkins clearly isn't fully responsible for all purchases. No manager is these days.
Firstly let me say I want Adkins to come through this and prove he can do it and guide us upward but... What if Adkins truly has reached his maximum potential? We should at least consider at what point do we say thank you Nigel but the clubs ambitions are greater than your ability to acheive them, thank you very much but we need someone else to take us forward. That point must come somewhere, is it when we get relegated? Well Cortese has very publicly vowed that he wont allow that to happen so he cant just carry on blindly. If it doesnt improve he will have to act sometime this season, should he leave it until the last 6 games? If thats the case we will all be screaming that it was obvious from 6 games in that we were struggling so it has to be sooner. The transfer window may be crucial, If we do want a new manager then giving the new man the transfer window maximises his chance of success. Cold hard logic implies that Adkins probably has until Christmas at best and probably only until end Nov to allow a new manger time to come in assess the squad and lay his plans. Come on Nigel get a move on, we are largely behind you but time is slipping away quickly.
The press and the forums talking a lot about whether Adkins will get the boot. No idea if it's true, but felt like throwing my views in. Cortese is no mug. He is not picking the team, because he isn't a mug. I am sure that he discusses the team each week with Adkins, but I'm also sure that the final decision rests with Adkins. Just wanted to say that I am also sure that Cortese would have had his doubts about Adkins being a premiership manager, which seems fair. I would therefore expect him to be in regular discussions about how things are going, what the targets are etc I would also expect that Adkins is very aware that if he doesn't achieve the targets he will have to leave. If Cortese then decides to bring in Redknapp, it will be because he knows all about him, has checked out his history and has decided that he is the right man for the job. I seriously hope that we don't get Redknapp, I cannot stand the man (or his son) and I get more enjoyment from his team losing than from Portsmouth losing. But Cortese has never let us down. He may have done things we didn't understand, but not one of them has proved to be a wrong move. If Adkins is given more time then I am chuffed for the man as I personally would like to see him get a real chance. If he goes, I wish him all the best for the future. Apologies if I waffled, being married I don't get much chance to say what I think
Edited because this thread has now merged with another. Anyway. Early impressions of Adkins in the premier league would suggest he may be out of his depth. Keeping him would be a risk that may pay off long term. But can you afford to take a risk? The championship is getting more and more competitive and I am glad West Ham were in it last season rather than this. Add the possibility of Lallana and Lambert wanting to stay in the prem and therefore maybe not wanting to hang around, do you really want to chance it? If the opportunity to bring in a manager who has managed to keep struggling sides up in the past arises, you should go for it IMO. Just thought I would chuck in an outsiders view.
Largely simply because of that statement. Cortese cant be seen to let it happen without doing everything in his power to prevent it. The appointment of the manger is one of his main levers to bring short term improvement on the field, IMO he will use it. Of course your point that he could stay is a good one, and a lot will depend on the nature of the season (a strong season end would help), the cash situation etc, but any manger who has guided the team to relegation should be subject to a pretty rigourous review of performance and must be at risk. Similarly if the managerial merry go round threw up a really strong candidate that could look attractive compared with a manager who had just failed.
because relegation would be a massive failure na and nc have said that finishing 17th is not acceptable. You all talk of the 5 year plan as if its the be all and end all f*#k the 5 year plan we are better than that. Relegation is failure and failure has consquences. Look at the 3 teams that got relegated last season all have new managers. What team has had a manager at the start of a premier league season got relegated kept that manager and then won promotion i can't think of any.
Bolton - Sam Allardyce And who is the "you all" in the talk of the 5 year plan. I'm simply talking about continuity and progression over a period of time.
And to my post re: Bolton, they continued with their progression plan and enjoyed several years in the top flight.
That makes perfect sense Huddersaint; I just hope we stick with him and look for that progression with continuity as I believe that will makes us stronger.
Damn you flt. i'll have to trust you on that. On your point about stability i 100% agree with that although if that was the cortese way then we'd never have adkins and who knows where we would be now
I think it is the Cortese way. He moved Pards on because he didn't buy into the vision, not becasue of his ability as a manager.
did he tell you that. i thought it was cause we finished 30 odd points behind norwich the previous season and then had a slow start the following season. My mistake
He did actually tell me it was because Pards didn't follow the same vision, at which point some smart arse asked if Pards "vision" was wandering anywhere else .....
All i'm founding my views on is what cortese has done in the past and last time we were struggling pardew got the bullet ever since then things have been rosey now we're struggling again it seems 99% certain to me that cortese will wield the axe again. Its his style from what i've seen
