Stumpy really lost the plot Comedy classic rant. Lets hope Ashley doesnt drop any of the clangers weve been seeing now that Caulker isnt bailing him out. Otherwise Fletcher will really punish us.
If he qualifies to play for Wales, then he qualifies to be Captain! How come this issue by Bluetits has come up now? Why haven't they complained regarding his Welshness before? It's so clear they are hurting because an X Kairdiff player has been dropped, because he was not good enough, and a Swansea boy takes his place, well tough tity!........................
Would you be the slight bit interested tho if he did not play for Giro City..............as its well know the jacks are not great followers of Wales .
Aaron Ramsey not good enough ill have you know he's better than any ****e that's come out of your youth academy (yes thick shake) that includes joe "weakling" Allen so stop being a dikc and show some respect yes If he's eligible to play for our nation then he's eligible to be el capitano but whoop dee doo for him he's been made captain by a biased **** jack manager that couldn't pick a pack of crisps let alone a forking football team Ps why is he biased? I hear you ask well he brings in ol John le jack hartson (former Swansea player and incerdible admierer of boring football (swansalona) and fills his team with jacks threatens Cardiff players and then gives picks his favourites (jack ****es) he's the complete opposite of speed (bless his soul). But oh we'll at least his reign of Swansea selecting ****e will soon come too an end when we get hammered by the sweeties oh and how does it feel losing yeah we don't get that very often anyway byeeeeeee.
I've seen it all now supporters who back Malaysians changing there clubs heritage for money are against a Swansea player eligible for Wales captaining them? For crying out loud boys, I think we should be more concerned that Colemans managing the team and we are probably heading for another defeat and an embarrassing qualifying campaign.
Southcoast, read through the thread before commenting. It's pretty close and I believe most agree with Williams being captain. I don't believe he should be captain ahead of a Welshman. Most do not believe Coleman is up to the job, I am one of them, if we say he's a garbage manager we'd be accused of being anti-Swansea because of his association to Swansea. Your comments about the Malaysians changing the clubs heritage is laughable, untrue and not part of the debate so why bring it up?
if you are going to chip in in future dont speak such bullshit. most of my annoyance of this decision is because i dont think ramsey has done anything to deserve such shoddy treatment. he was doing fine as captain under speed and is mature beyond his years - but hey we've lost the last few games so 'something needs to change' - um, how about the tactics? i dont care what coleman says, he's implied (and said) that ramsey has been 'feeling the pressure', something which you say in private, if at all. i hate the amatuerish atmosphere around us at the moment, in complete contrast to the expert stewardship which we enjoyed under the previous management.
I don't have an issue with Williams, playing and/or captain, and wish Turner had chosen to play for us as well. Might the feelings of some been so strong then? However, Swamp's last paragraph above hits the nail right on the head. It all started when the arrogant Dutch guy bailed out when Coleman was appointed. I was all for giving Coleman a chance but he is now almost at the end of the road and a defeat against Scotland must seal his fate. God knows where we find another suck...., manager of any esteem then though.
It's actually very strange how England fans can 'hate' eachother when it comes to their clubs but are able to become one single unit when it comes to supporting their national team. We look like a bunch of infants in comparison. Right lets give this a go trying to be neutral shall we. First off, Coleman. Not the right man for the job. It's that plain and simple. Nothing against him but his footballing style doesn't match what speed was so effectively building. Next up, Williams. Say what you like about the swans defence but we've actually kept more clean sheets than man city this season. And that's not saying that they are not performing well, it's a testament to the sheer quality of the premiership. He is the most qualified person for the role as he is the only player who captains a premier league club and he also gives his absolute all for Wales. Nationality. Right, I'm failing to grasp why some think it's acceptable to have a foreign manager but then be so against having a British captain... Picking and choosing just to suit your personal preferences makes you look very narrow minded and bitter towards Williams and Swansea. Mangers are there to manage and lead. Captains are there to lead on the pitch. Why is one fine but the other such a travesty? And no that is not just aimed at Taff, a number of you we're slating the appointment of Coleman saying we should have got someone foreign in. You say Swansea fans are only fine with it because he's a jack, again do you really believe this? Or is it perhaps that thats the exact reason your not fine with it? It would be interesting to hear what the rest of Wales supporters (if we can find any) would say on the matter. My guess is that they would be glad to see someone with some experience take the reigns. Ok I'm rambling, over and out.
Swans-m my reasoning for a true Welshman to be selected is based on the most basic reasoning. A young lad wanting to play at the top level must try and attain the highest award possible in the sporting arena which they as a competitor, in a team event, is to captain their side in their chosen sport. If someone decides to chose to play for another nation then they have devalued that position. It's as simple as "right I ain't going to make it with Brazil so I'll play for India" an extreme example but I hope you get my point.
I have read the thread, and most of the start of it was all about 'We don't want an English man captaining Wales' blah blah, which basically boils down to 'we dont want a jack captaining wales'. Which is why I brought the Malaysian thing into it, your happy for foreign investment in your club, and like it or not, changing your nickname and first team colours, is changing your heritage (yes, I know it's for the better, don't bother giving me that lecture). If you can put up with that, i'm sure you can put up with Ash being Wales captain. To be honest, without Bellamy in the squad I don't see any real captain or leaders in the squad. I don't think Ash is a natural captain, but neither is Ramsay in my opinion. Maybe with the pressure taken off Ramsey, he'll perform better than he has done for us.
So which is why i`ll bring in ......what would you rather us do then ,go forward with investment or go into admin like you bunch of tossers twice robbing local firms and people of money.............Think before you go down that road idiot
which is why, if you are capable of reading Mr Hughs, I put, 'I know it's for the better'. Maybe you should just think in general, idiot.
yawn, yawn. Posters from both sides, can't put a cogent argument together, cant get people to accept my viewpoint, I know, lets hurl insults. Over the last month or two the board has been getting better with more sensible football debate, moving away from the drivle that has lost us some valued posters and seen others post far less frequently. We had a lot of threads that within a post or two became a forum for a Swans vs Bluebirds slanging match which is why the WUM thread was set up. This thread took slightly longer than some others to deteriorate, but it didn't take that long. Debate is trying to convince someone of your view point not to slate some one for taking a view different from your own. It's why I detest (strong word but true in many instances) politicians. They can't tell me why they are good, only why the other guy is bad. Not big, not clever. The question was asked whether a 'foreign' Welshman or a 'Welsh' Welshman should captain Wales. A good topic for debate, not a reason to start a slanging match. Take this scenario, my daughter was born in Bristol to two Welsh parents (one a Welsh speaker) and 4 welsh grandparents. She's never lived in Wales and has an English accent. When the census came round last year she filled in the section for her (she was 16 at the time) and put herself down as Welsh. She is proud of her heritage and is definitely more Welsh than English (or British for that matter). When the Euros were on, she put a Welsh flag out of the window because she was fed up with all the English ones in the street (though she prefers rugby to football as she thinks footballers are wimps, she even told Gareth Taylor's wife that). My comments above were that I'd prefer a 'Welsh' captain as hwyl is something that is difficult to teach and you need to have that in you. Saying that, internationals used to be about the love of playing for your country, it seems to be more an extenssion of the club game for the benefit of the individual rather than the team these days. BAck to the point, the thread was asking for an opinion with no question of right or wrong. Why turn the thread into something its not.
Well said CCFC. Why has it always got to develop into a Cardiff v Swans argument? You asked a reaonable question and amongst the dross there have been some good arguments for and against.
I've got no problem with a Jack captaining Wales, and as long as they qualify as Welsh through the normal rules (maybe they do need some looking at anyway?) and do their best for the team I have no problem with 'English' playing for Wales. Saying that however I don't think Ramsey or Williams are really captain material, but we don't have many leaders to choose from in the squad and I hope whoever's captain rolls their sleeves up and gets the team behind them. The bigger issue at the moment is who should be managing the team.
to my mind, its the jacks who are disrupting this thread, very rarely do you get threads derailed when the comments are made only by members on this board, they know if they drop a comment like 'its only because he's a jack' that people will defend themselves, some more aggresively than others....
No disrespect intended ccfc i hope you can see that but with a title as this it was bound to cause some friction and i will stand by what jumps out a mile ..........if Williams did not play for swansea they would not give a fig ,simple.... and lets be fair they are not the best at following their home nation now are they .....hope that makes it a bit clearer now from my point of view but everyone is different and thats life ............;O)
