Your opinion on diving?

Alex Ferguson has come out with this....

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4566513/Alex-Ferguson-Foreign-players-are-divers.html#ixzz284dBKlB1

Jist of it is that foreign players have bought diving into the English game.

Personally I can see where he is coming from, you look at the game 10-15 years ago and barely anything was given as a foul. Yet now-a-days you get a free kick from falling over someone else's leg.

Don't think Fergie has a leg to stand on with people like Ashley Young in his team BUT what do you think? Would diving have crept into the English game if it were not for foreigners???

 

as i said in another post never a sir as long as my arse points down,this guy did manage ronaldo didnt he?never said jack sh1t then

 

Like I said, he has Ashley Young so I am in full agreement with you on this point.

However what is your opinion on foreign players bringing diving into the English game, was it Ronaldo alone or was he one of the many (including English players or not) who bought it into the game?

 

Pesky foreigners coming over here taking our jobs and falling over all the time. Disgrace.

 

Suarez is a disgrace. But then you look at the dives by Ivanovic, Hazard, etc... Diving needs to be punished more heavily

 

I think it was as much an introduction/Justification by English team's managers playing in Europe. Remember when you would play Italian or Spanish teams in Europe and know they would dive against you to the point it was almost funny. They still do it but it doesn't stand out QUITE as much, party because our own domestic players do it week in week out. Our managers have seen it wasn't going away on the European platform and thought 'if you can't beat em, join em!'

 

Rooney, Welbeck, Young are awful divers. Well said Fergie

 

He's bang on the money and its neither here nor there that he has divers in his own ranks. You can't control what they do and you can't pass up signing them because they like a bit of tumble and roll. Foreigners undoubtedly did worsen the diving plague in this country. It began with getting sick of losing out to European counterparts in big games, and it got a whole lot worse with the influx in the 90's of ageing superstars (like Klinnsman, Vialli etc), and then more laterly as we have become the home for many of the top players.

Now we have our own players who happily take a dive. Owen, Shearer, Gerrard etc, its an uncomfortable truth for some, but ignoring that it happened is denial! Shearer and Gerrard were probably at the lighter end of it as they try to buy penalties. Ashley Young just dives full stop. Whether it is in the box or in a full back position, the lad would go down quicker than a mackem lass. Its always gone on but there are a lot more chancing their arm now. Previously refs had a chance with it, but as players become better at it and it becomes more common, their jobs get harder and harder.

I hate it but I accept there is no way of going back now bar a dramatic rule change where sendings off occur. I doubt that will happen because the latin countries would be up in arms as they see it as part of the game. In many south american countries they are taught how to do it properly as part of their footballing education. They cannot understand why we get so upset about it. They see it as gamesmanship and getting one up on the oppo.

I think even in the olden days some would try it on. It was just picked up a lot more. So maybe foreigners weren't the first to try in this country but they certainly made the problem a whole lot worse. Since our top league became a 40/60 split in favour of foreigners, it has unsurprisingly become the norm.

 

Managers up and down the country, including Fergie, encourage diving. Directly or indirectly. Players will be told to go down if they feel the 'slightest' touch especially in the penalty area. Seems harsh to blame players.

 

Undoubtedly is the case that managers tell their players to go down with contact. But I don't think they tell there players to look for a leg and make it look as though they've been kicked. Its more a case of them instructing players not be the hero by staying on their feet.

I'd have to lay the majority of it at the players feet personally. The thing is we (the fans) like a good moan about it, but indirectly everyone has played their part in it. The players clearly just can't help themself. And when we had the influx of foreigners, the fans were all excited for a new dawn, getting to see these superstars and were willing to overlook their own players faults. We would ignore Ginola's ability to go down easy, putting it down to him getting kicked a lot, being his way of fighting back. Then the managers encourage them not be the hero and go down under contact, it all plays a part. I just think we have to accept that we have allowed the situation to transpire where there are more foreigners than English players in the top league, and we have to accept what comes with it. That is some of their own culture and things that were not previously commonplace in our game.

I'd just say the players have to be ultimately responsible because an overwhelming majority of the time it is their decision to do it.

 

Theonly way it may stop is by introducing retrospective video review.

Trying to con the referee is a yellow, but at the moment successfully conning the referee is all good. If successfully conning the referee (i.e. diving) was a one match ban outside the box and a 3 match ban if it resulted in a penalty, then the practice would become somewhat less frequent.

This would require a major revision to the laws of the game in several areas. Can't see it in less than a decade at a minimum

 

Roflmao, that's kind of racist but I also kind of agree.

It's wrong to generalise that a foreigner = a diver, but in other countries, a lot of players are taught how to dive properly.

 

Yes, but they're getting lessons from Phelps now.

 

Diving should results in a life long ban just like drugs in athletics! The only people that say it's ok are former cheats within football - these people should be killed.