But seriously, great move, imho, to delay a new inquest until all criminal avenues have been exhausted. They've waited 23 years, so a few more with the prospect of seeing some of the scum in the dock is worth it. Read today that Mick jones of the Clash was there on wednesday. Cool. Wish Joe Strummer was still alive. And apart from then Lverpool bands I know the Manics and a few Manchester bands have been behind the cause too. I sense one big, big party coming up - but there's still a bad taste in the mouth over a 10 year old's dead body being tested for alcohol, and police checks for criminal records on teenage girls,,, I'm not as pessimistic as some though. If pressure is put on from all sides onto surviving and serving cops, with threats of losing their pensions if they get a criminal conviction, then this "Wallof silence", just like any other group of criminals in a mafia-style conspiracy, will break. Just needs one or two, with a full pension and an early retirement on health grounds dangled in front of them, or the prospect of chokey and a lifetime of poverty on the overhand, and they'll break. masons, coppers, crooks, gangsters are all the same - they won't stick together like the families did. Just one thing infuriates me tho I am charged with negligence my union/federation and insurance pays for my defence. I believe that's the same for medical staff too. Why the fook then, according to Alun Jones, the QC for the families in 2000, did the taxpayer stump up for Dukenfield's and Murray's defence, allowing them to rack up millions in a deliberate strategy to outspend the families? If there are prosecutions by the crown, surely the b@stards show pay their own defence or get legal aid when they've spent their fooking fat pensions and sold their retirement bungalows in Bournemouth?
@donga Wont the families now get any legal aid they were denied before? They were financially raped by the British legal system down the years in the quest for justice.
Don't forget the G20 murder with the when they intentionally muddied the waters as to cause of death, with two differing opinions noone got charged, namely PC Simon Harwood the scumbag. The police used to police their own areas and knew everyone. They were serving the public, not the self serving entity it is now. Careerists are ****ing up the world, when you make decisions, important decisions based on your career slash company alone it is never going to be good. When careerists are police and upper ranks you can see how it will ALWAYS go. In favour of their careers and their bosses regardless of what is right and wrong Anyone making those choices with career in mind cannot be trusted.
(In fear of a backlash) I served with Derbyshire Constabulary who are neighboured with SYP and I can assure you, the attitude towards SYP was not a healthy one! Often called to back up their force due to constant inadequacies and also requiring their help on numerous occasions when we were visited by criminals from their patch, we were constantly headbaning with the nearest wall! They carry no respect from Derbyshire police and I doubt anyone would batter an eyelid if their officers (past and present) were dealt with severely as a result of the Hillsborough outcome. I haven't worked with them since 2006 so I don't know how the ground lies there anymore, especially as 6 years is a long time out of anything but, I can't imagine it to have altered that much since I finished!
Surely the Inquiry has to come first? It's vital that the Accidental Death verdicts are changed. I'm no lawyer but once they are changed to something like Unlawful Killing or Corporate Homicide then the criminal prosecutions flow. The changing of statements and the cover up become criminal rather than moral actions. The organisations who broke the law directly or indirectly are then open to criminal prosecution. The individuals who participated in the cover up are then open to prosecution. The individuals who did not fulfil their duties are similarly open to prosecution.
Sorry Whonext, I meant to respond earlier. You won't get a backlash from me and it appears from none of us. We need our police. What we don't need is the type of police culture that appears to have been fostered in SYP and at times in Liverpool. Due to the nature of the job our police will always have to be somewhat removed from us but we need to have faith that they are in fact OUR police. You are doing a job that I couldn't.
Until you have the findings of a Coroners Inquest then you don't have the basis for the highest level of criminal charges. There is now such a weight of documentary evidence that the Coroners Inquest will have more to do with how to frame the findings than coming to a conclusion regarding the facts.
No worries mate and thanks! Left the force through injury back in 06 and I do miss it but, I was of the understanding that we were there to help not just arrest. It is incidents like this that undermine all the hard work 'decent' officers undertake. There are a few good ones out there but they, unfortunately with every force are few and far between! Not all as corrupt as those at the heart of this very sad situation but certainly raise eyebrows none the less.
That's a balanced view. I have been on the receiving end a few times and am generally not overkeen for the very reason you mention. There are too few decent ones. It wasn't funny at the time, but looking back, I have to smile. An ex-boss tried to get me done for fraud. I'd been up all night spewing a sh1tting with a virus. There was a banging on the front and then the back door. I dragged myself out of bed and got to the top of the stairs to see a copper at the bottom. I asked him what he was doing and he told me the back door was unlocked. I asked him again what he was doing. They told me about the fraud accusation. I went upstairs to get dressed and a copper came up and said I could have a *** in my bedroom - nice of them. He then said, with a smile on his face. "we found your cannabis as well" (class C at the time). In the end, after a considerable grilling, they decided there was no fraud case to answer, but they gave me a street caution for the blow. Bloody typical.
I thought that bit was another way of describing vomiting and sh!tting to be honest mate pmsl! If they confiscated your smoke, they probably smoked it down the station (Not that I am in any way saying I saw this at my station btw)
