I've been to KL, but only once and just for a weekend. Didn't think much of the place - seemed to be mostly shopping malls.
point i was making was that it was a resounding loss... it doesnt matter if the ref was chris coleman we still would have lost. technically its only 1 competitive loss, but i see very little cause to be encouraged by anything we've seen so far under coleman. absentees from the top of my head yesterday include allen, ledley, taylor and bellamy. thats 4 first teamers out that we can ill afford. we always seem to have a couple of key players out every game, when we get the best 11 out we stand more of a chance but as i said, we cant start the campaign with 2 losses so a point away to serbia is now a must....
Because of John Toshack we were below Moldova in the world rankings. Toshack made things infinitely tougher for this campaign than they should've been. If we can get Coleman to keep us in a decent position in the group (finishing 3rd behind Belgium, Croatia) then we will have a much more favourable draw for the Euro 2016 qualifying campaign. And we have a much better chance of getting a result against Serbia, purely because we'll have our best centre back partnership in Williams and Blake on the pitch instead of the disastrous James Collins.
I am sorry but the way things are going I can't even see Wales scoring any goals under Coleman, he is out of his depth I feel. I know he is a Swansea lad and all that but I am against him as Wales manager. Think we need to look beyond here for a new manager
There are no positives at all, the manager is inapt, the players are not doing their best and from top to bottom we are complete rubbish, The players we have should be good enough to win our home games at the very least and when i hear Coleman on the radio saying we played well and he is encouraged by the positives then i have to ask what game did he watch, was it the England game because if he sees that losing at home a positive then its time to go....absolute rubbish....
Coleman should never have been given the job. I understand they want a Welsh manager, but sometimes you have to admit that there is a possible candidate and have to look elsewhere. I also believe that he doesnt have the players and that is the reason for some of the pull outs. this didnt seem to happen with Speed. maybe the players had more respect for him. Swamp i have to say one thing there were only 3 first teamers missing. If you honestly believe that Ledley has anything to offer Wales. He should be no more than a sub.
there also would have been a limited funds, which rules out most good foreign managers. coleman was the best welshman at the time but i dont like how he comes across in interviews, seems to have a high opinion of himself and quick to make excuses, though admittedly he's had a few good ones. good point with the players who pull out, though i blame the players, if you dont want to play for your country because you dont particularly like the manager then they can get stuffed for all i care. about ledley, yes his career has stood still and he hasnt progressed since he left for celtic, but you cant deny his performances for wales under speed were consistent - consistently bad unfortunately. for the third centre mid slot he's the best of a bad bunch which is why i included him...
Taylor, Hennessey, Bellamy and Allen. 4 of our key players. Thats not including Crofts/Ledley, one of the two would've started (probably Crofts) had they not both been injured. Thats 5 players from Chris Coleman's preferred, or strongest, starting XI. I won't be too harsh on Coleman until we see him with Bale/Bellamy/Allen/Ramsey/Williams all in the starting XI. And I still say Coleman's biggest mistake was not getting a place for Raymond Verheijen within the coaching setup. He couldn't swallow his pride and was worried about having an outspoken character in the coaching set up.
Lucas my point i was trying to make was that i no longer see Ledley as a wales starter. he has fallen behind quite a few. since his move to the league of no ambition
Definitely, he's not a guaranteed starter anymore. Still think he's the only real competition to Crofts for Joe Allen's partner role though.
Up until the sending off I thought we weren't too bad. We had a bit of purpose about us and were getting hold of the game a little. I fully expected Belgium to be the better team looking at their squad and our depleted squad so it was no shock. In no way was this as bad as that defeat away to Cyprus a few years ago. I must admit that I'm not sure Coleman is the man for the job but I also shook my head when Gary Speed was given the job, and after 4 games I felt my dismay was well founded. I think that if we get a win against Serbia a lot could change. Certainly confidence would improve. Scotland v Serbia was a huge yawnfest and I think when we play either of those teams it will be a case of the worst team losing rather than the best team winning. It is my country - I am Welsh and I want them to win every time they play. They still have my support, and if I had been in Wales I would have gone to the match. Shame on any of you guys who didn't go to the match. The attendance was terrible and that must also be a huge knock to the players confidence when it seems the public couldn't care less about the national team. I guess the stadium would have been full if we'd won our last 4 games coming into this - plastic is a word that springs to mind.
