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Whats good about modern football and whats bad ?

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by gomarchingin, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. gomarchingin

    gomarchingin New Member

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    I am polite normally and only ever come out with the odd blurt line but how old are you ? Do you believe any old crap from a football club ? What basis can you say Cortese always gets what he wants ? If he wanted it that bad he would of done a City ? Now I am very grateful to the guy , very grateful indeed but dont think for a second what he says all of the time is true , I want Champions League and I am sure he does , the issue is he will have to spend more than 16 other clubs in the Premiership , is he honestly going to do that ?
     
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  2. Mr.Gaston Ramirez

    Mr.Gaston Ramirez New Member

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    He said that we would get in the Premier League within 5 years (maximum), we got there in 3.He said that he would invest in the academy, he has spent £15m on a new training ground.He wanted us to be in the top 6 in our first season in the championship we finished 2nd.

    I don't know if you've ever watched one of his interviews, but they are pretty good.He talks a lot of sense and he isn't one of those typical chairman's that come up with all sort of generic sayings and cliches.

    If you don't want to believe in his vision, then fine, don't.I belive in it.

    Oh and I'm 18 <ok>.
     
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  3. gomarchingin

    gomarchingin New Member

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    Well I have to listen to what may or may not happen all the time , its great to have visions and dreams but they have to be obtainable , getting to the Champions League is simple beyond us as it stands , there are an awful lot of clubs that have money and more stature than us , so we would have to sign players on the premise of money (Ramirez was honest enough to say he was coming for the money) and lots of it , I dont see us signing these players of that amount and to be honest I would not want that .

    It would make us a club we are not .

    Now if the FFF are to fully adhered to (they wont just look at the Russian clubs) then possibly things could change , we would need a complete overhaul to compete in this League at the upper echelons of it .
     
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  4. Mr.Gaston Ramirez

    Mr.Gaston Ramirez New Member

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    Cortese wants to extend the stadium to 50,000 in the near future in order for us to compete and be able to offer more lucritive wages.

    Spurs got into the champions league a couple seasons ago and Newcastle finished 5th last season, it's not impossible.
     
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  5. gomarchingin

    gomarchingin New Member

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    But we are yet to get this extension and come on Spurs and Newcastle are bigger clubs than us , Spurs spent Millions just for one year , Newcastle did well last year but lets see how they fare this year ?
    They also can call on 52,000 in the Premiership every other week , Spurs are argubly the biggest club in London and will easily get 50,000-60,000 a week as well , to be a smallish City and have that sort of attendance (the only club that gets near with a small population and a high attendance is Sunderland) takes years of domestic success .
     
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  6. letissier86

    letissier86 Well-Known Member

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    High variant projections of life expectancy at birth for females in 2060 is, 94.6 years on average and for males 92.5. By then you'll want to be more careful when saying 'Saints won't achieve x in my lifetime.' It's ageing by the way, not aging unless you are an American in which case I apologise.
     
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    letissier86 Well-Known Member

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    High variant projections of life expectancy at birth for females in 2060 is, 94.6 years on average and for males 92.5. By then you'll want to be more careful when saying 'Saints won't achieve x in my lifetime.' It's ageing by the way, not aging unless you are an American in which case I apologise.
     
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    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Did Cortese really talk of extending the stadium other than in the vaguest way? I know he said he might consider it when we were an established PL side in the Champions league, but I thought he was being humorous and was unaware that Saints' fans have the memories of elephants.


    One of the main things that is good about modern football is that is more family friendly. Women (especially with children) prefer assigned seats (hence why they are the biggest growth area in season tickets). Better toilet facilities...the one toilet for ladies in the family area at The Dell was a joke.
     
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  9. Mr.Gaston Ramirez

    Mr.Gaston Ramirez New Member

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    Arsenal are the biggest club in London, 60,000 capacity stadium.
     
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  10. Mr.Gaston Ramirez

    Mr.Gaston Ramirez New Member

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    I think I'll see Saints win something in my lifetime.Probably an FA Cup.
     
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  11. gomarchingin

    gomarchingin New Member

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    The stadium size means nothing , not a jot , Bill Nicholson and Spurs in the 60's , thats why they are the biggest in London .
     
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  12. saintlyhero

    saintlyhero Well-Known Member

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    As Churchill once said "Why stand when you can sit"
    The extension of the stadium was hinted at again on the end of the season ticket DVD. The fans get the same brain washing DVD the potential new signings get.
    Nothing is impossible, but you need ambition and resources.

    As long as Cortese remains the most ambitious man at the club then we anything could happen.
    Because with resource we can keep players/managers and with true ambition those players will want to stay.

    We may hit the odd blip but under our current ownership I see nothing but an upward curve
     
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  13. Joe!

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    That's just based on the fact that life expectancy has been increasing at a rate of 0.2 years per year, and is probably too simplistic. Those projections don't take into account that the rate of increase itself will most likely accelerate, caused by major breakthroughs in science and medicine. It's a popular opinion among scientists that the world's first bicentenarians (people who live to be 200 years old) could be people who were born in the 1960s.
     
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  14. Mr.Gaston Ramirez

    Mr.Gaston Ramirez New Member

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    Arsenal are a much bigger club than Spurs.

    Arsenal honours:

    10-division 1 trophies
    3-Premier Leagues
    10-FA cups
    3-League cups
    1-European Cup Winners' Cup
    1-Inter-Cities Fairs Cup

    Spurs honours:

    2-Division 1 trophies
    8-FA Cups
    4-League Cups
    2-UEFA Cups

    It stands like this:1-Arsenal/Chelsea it's subjective, Spurs , West Ham, Fulham, Charlton and QPR.
     
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  15. letissier86

    letissier86 Well-Known Member

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    Most levels of variant projections are too simplistic as they simply extrapolate, linearly, historical mortality rate data from different periods. We know that the rate of increase, has itself increased since the 70s and will likely continue to do so owing to a whole host of positive contextual effects on mortality rates. More complex projections by GAD and not the ONS (I've worked for both) take into account a greater multiplicity of factors. I'm in the Voppel school of thought that there is a biological ceiling to life expectancy but we are nowhere near it. There is someone alive on the earth at present who will live to 150 years for sure. However we are not going to see a bicentenarian from the cohort born in 2012, let alone the 1960s.
     
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  16. gomarchingin

    gomarchingin New Member

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    Again winning only goes so far , us and them down the road for instance ? It's not trophies and stadiums it's the man on the street , bares no relation us bidding for Champions League places but there we go .
     
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  17. PompeyLapras

    PompeyLapras Well-Known Member

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    Good aspects:

    1) Less hooliganism than the past
    2) Some stadiums are quite nice and it's nice to be able to sit
    3) Soccer Saturday
    4) It's good that you can watch Italian, German, Spanish or French football on TV if you want to
    5) The possibility of finding out football news and results quickly using the interweb
    6) The fact that football has had a genuine transformative effect in some regions of the world
    7) Farnborough have a nice new swanky stand

    Bad aspects

    1) The ridiculous amount of greed among players
    2) The way the game is set up to encourage complete and utter financial recklessness
    3) The fact that Premier League and it's biggest clubs are totally self-serving, as are most other clubs, if they benefit from something, who cares about how it affects other clubs: example - The new Academy System, Man City's ridiculous levels of spending
    4) The fact that the FA lack integrity and are seemingly incompetent
    5) The lack of integrity among players: diving, cheating, feigning injury, shagging each others wives/girlfriends/sisters/mothers/aunts/whatever
    6) The lack of loyalty by players and mangers and by clubs to players and/or managers
    7) The fact England fans seem to boo any other national anthem
    8) The hatred and tribalism generated from modern football
    9) The fact that the Premier League is really uncompetitive and is generally a two horse race (Man U + Man City it looks like for now)
    10) The utter pretentiousness of the Champions League
    11) The fact that a Champions League game that doesn't even involve an English team gets much more media coverage than a League 2 or Conference game in this country
    12) The media's utter bias towards certain clubs and against others (aka: football snobbery)
    13) The price of tickets at some clubs is ridiculous
    14) The amount of seats at Wembley given over to corporate sponsors
    15) The lack of coverage given to Women's Football and the fact that they're forced to play in small non-league grounds often not in the same town or city as the club itself (i.e. Chelsea, Arsenal)
    16) The fact that when it comes to who is picked for the national squad, it's about who you play for, not the amount of talent you have, whether you're on form, are actually getting games or whether you fit the team (for example Rooney, Downing)
     
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  18. Jerel Ifil

    Jerel Ifil Well-Known Member

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    He also said some stuff about Jews and black people which rule him out as a quotable person.

    And in response to that point, why sit when it means you can't celebrate instantaneously, can't sing and can't feel as close to the action you've paid a lot of money to go see as you would when standing?

    Personally, I'd love to have been around in the 70s to see football back then. Far more end-to-end action, still big crowds, fans actually allowed to show passion and stand on a terrace if that was there choice, more loyalty, cheaper prices for everything and stronger club identity.

    Don't really think there's that much modern football has improved. Lighter balls, better training and match preparation, better quality to an extent (far too much boring possession play these days; what happened to both sides chasing a game at 0-0?!) Don't see a lot that's improved for us lot though as supporters.
     
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  19. pompeymeowth

    pompeymeowth Prepare for trouble x Staff Member

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    For me you can't top football from 20+ years ago. Like the U.K. Subs might have said, money's got a stranglehold on the game these days.
     
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  20. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

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    and young people who will not be allowed to breed.
     
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