The problem is that Rodgers made it clear, when he first took over, that Andy Carroll did not figure in his plans. This immediately sparked interest from Newcastle because we thought that we might be able to get him on the cheap. It looks as though Carroll has taken the stance that working hard and staying at Liverpool or moving back to NUFC are the only options that he will consider, and does not want to go to another club. With both clubs unable to reach agreement over a fee, Rodgers made his statement about being mad to sell AC on the cheap and then Alan Pardew told the press yesterday that we had given up our persuit of the player. Then Rodgers makes his latest statement, effectively saying that he wants to sell Carroll. It seems to me that it's all a game of bluff and double bluff by both clubs in order to get the best deal. Alledgedly Newcastle have offered £12 million and Liverpool alledgedly want £17 million. My guess is that he will come to NUFC for £15 million on Friday with the money being used to bring in another striker to Liverpool late Friday night.
This sums up rodgers position: "I can only be straight. I've made it clear I have a 1 to 11, cover players and development players. Some of the development players may become starters. If you fit outside that, I will tell you. Then it's up to the player. Does the player want to play football? "You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see Andy has been a cover player for us and has been excellent in terms of his attitude and acceptance of where he is at, but as a football club, I don't think we are in a position to have £35m players as third-choice strikers, or wingers who are on £5m-£6m a year. This is the challenge I have." bbc sport It isnt personal towards andy but theres no financial sense having a player with such high wages backup BUT that we would only sell him for a decent fee
Firstly all manager have their own ideas, not all managers are the same. Secondly only one manager will dictate how much Andy Carroll is sold for, no not Fat Sam, no not Alan Pardew, but Brendan Rodgers. If Newcastle want Andy Carroll, they will have to pay up, or shut the **** up. Liverpool should have came down on Pardew like a ton of bricks over his comments. Nobody told them how much to sell Andy Carroll for.
I don't get it! Many of you say you trust BR so he should be left to bring in who he wants but the second he wants rid of a player well below par for LFC you start questioning him?! Come on, you know what they say, rot spreads and that was certainly the case last season. Carroll had chance after chance after chance to get on the end of a couple but was more often than not found loitering outside the 18 yard box. How many times did you seem him finally wake and start running for the ball to bounce off his back! The guy can't read a game and will never, and I stress never be anymore than a 10 goal a season striker for us. You slate Adam for being poor yet Carroll is given the @He played well at the end of last season. Sorry but 10 games is not enough to warrant a place on the starting 11 or even on the bench for that matter! There are young talented players who will make great squad players who could justify a place on any LFC bench so let's offload Carroll as part of the 'Deadwood' and give our potential futures the chance to shine shall we...get off the Carroll needs a chance wagon he's had a year and a half and done nothing!
Good points. However, football clubs are businesses, and buying clubs have no right to tell other clubs how much they should sell their under contract players for. If they could, Liverpool could tell Barcelona to sell Messi for £10 million, or Man United to sell Shrek for 99p.
Its a very risky tactic leaving it this late IMO. If we have someone lined up then buy him now. If any Carroll deal falls through then use him for Europey and cups then sell him in Jan if necessary. What we don't want to do is sell Mandy...then find a deal for another striker falls through and we're left struggling for the next 5 months.
No I'm not drunk sweetheart! Just get the impression that many 'fans' don't want the sale of Carroll which is basically questioning the gaffers decisions - You can't have it both ways! SKD, fully agree with you mate but most people are 'outraged' at the thought of selling, what I'd be led to believe if was from another planet, the best striker ever to grace the PL - Jeez, the giy couldn't repeatedly hit a cows arse with a banjo if we held it for him!
If you Newcastle fans want Carroll, why not ask your club chairman why he forced him out the door in the first place? If you would have rather have the player than the money, why not take him back for half what you got for him?
You're right there mate he got a massive cheer when he came on on Sunday. Now the WUMs might disagree but I know us Kopites appreciate a player who we think can do a job. Carroll is such a player. I find it slightly baffling that a manager with a reputation for developing young talent isn't willing to give a 22 year old England international a chance. Whatever the outcome of all this I wish Andy well and don't doubt he will be giving a lot of Prem defenders nightmares for many years to come
Brendan Rodgers may well decide how much Carroll will be sold for, but if no-one is willing to pay his price (and there is not a long list of clubs that are after Carroll) then Rodgers will be stuck with a player that HE doesn't want. It may well deprive him of funds that are needed to buy a player that he does want. So Rodgers can dictate whatever price he wants for Carroll, it doesn't mean that anyone is going to meet that price. Both parties have to be happy with the price or the deal doesn't happen. By the way, Newcastle did "shut the **** up" and Rodgers very quickly started saying that Carroll was available. He wants a deal to be done, no doubt about it.
Yes he does want a deal to be done, but he's said Andy Carroll will not be sold on the cheap. Alan Pardew can stamp his feet all he likes, but Newcastle will not get Andy Carroll for £12 million unless the deal includes Cheik Tiote and Demba Ba.
Exactly! BR & the owners have a minimum selling price based on we can only assume is a balance of actual cash value worth of player to Liverpool on the pitch (let's face it BR like the rest of us thinks not 35m) and how much of a loss we can afford to take and finally the value of the players we are targeting to replace him. So Carroll actual value + existing transfer budget - price of targeted players = price we're willing to accept as offers. If we were silly rich like City we could haggle or throw away purely on principle. If we were destitute & desperate we'd just pull down our pants & let the fake Geordie dictate price. Otherwise: stump up the cash.
No-one in thier right mind would have turned down £35 million for Carroll. He also made the right decision to move (using the facts at the time) He was going to a club with far more potential to win trophies and play in europe. He was also getting a huge increase in wages. I can't blame him for going. Newcastle will try to buy him for the best possible price, just like Liverpool want to sell him forthe highest price. No crime in that. they will either agree or Carroll will stay with you guys, which may effect Rodgers' plans for signing his own players.
Firstly I will say BR has my full support as every manager at LFC does. That however doesn't mean I shouldn't question him if I think he's doing something wrong. I will praise him equally when he makes good decisions. Had BR spent 6 months with him and found him awkward or useless in his system then that's fair enough but to make your mind up about a player before even meeting him seems a tad harsh. Will I complain if he sells him and brings in a better player? No of course I won't, his job is to get us as a club back up challenging for titles and we all hope he can do that by whatever means necessary. Will I criticise him if he sells Carroll and we are left even shorter of strikers than last year? Yes I will. That doesn't mean I will be calling for his head but as fans we may not have the knowledge of top class managers but that doesn't mean we are stupid (or blind).
Exactly. Brendan Rodgers could pin-point that he wants say Alvaro Nagredo and Christian Tello worth approximately combined £24 million. (These are only examples) So in order to attempt to sign both, Andy Carroll would have to command such a price. Thats what Liverpool did with Torres, they wanted the money for a replacement and extra. So in other words, I can't see Liverpool settling for any less than £22-£25 million.
£12m is a joke bid. Anything under £35m will be a profit for your club, which means if you meet our asking price of £20m, you will have made a £15m profit from a season long loan.
