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Starting to lose faith in Jewell....

Discussion in 'Ipswich Town' started by WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM, Aug 29, 2012.

  1. tractor bhoy

    tractor bhoy Well-Known Member

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    I said I was going to reconsider my views on Jewell but after these suggestions I probably wont. Di canio is more unstable than Keano was, Robinson has done ok with large financial backing and has done nothing of note and Coppell for all his class at Reading and Palace (several years back now JWM and dont forget you dont like the older manager with old ideas) has jumped ship more times than titanic passengers tried to.
     
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  2. Trevor Whymark's Mullet

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    It's tempting to reel off a list of managers who we'd all welcome at PR, but how realistic are these names?

    To be fair to PJ, he's identified enough decent players during his time at Ipswich, but for whatever reason, we've been unable to agree terms with them or their club. To all intents and purposes, it looks like the budget is being slashed in preparation for FFP (or maybe because Marcus has had enough of spunking his money up the wall). so why would someone like Di Canio want to leave a club on the up like Swindon to come to us? Where's the attraction? If he keeps going like he has done, then offers from the Premier League can't be far away.

    More to the point, what makes anyone think that Evans and Clegg will appoint the right man? Last time we nearly got Gary Megson FFS! If Marcus picks up the phone to ask his old mate 'Arry about potential candidates again, we'll just end up with another of his currently unemployed mates.

    I don't think we're a particularly attractive proposition to an up and coming manager right now. It's far more likely we'll go down the route of another workmanlike appointment with a string of ex-clubs behind him, who is just grateful to be offered employment and won't make too much noise about transfer budgets or rock the boat too hard when he ends up with 4th or 5th choice players because every other target has turned us down. In other words, another Paul Jewell.
     
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  3. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    Why are you all being so defeatist FFS! This is the very thing that I have been arguing against!

    We are an attractive club for any promising manager that wants to work hard and obtain success or at least we were until the faceless one rocked up! Steve Coppell would be a great appointment, look at what he's doing at Crawley right now! You lot make it sound as though we have no other alternative but to stick with this current clown! Perhaps you lot are delighted with the way he is managing the team but I like many others who have not bothered to renew their season tickets think otherwise. You lot seem happy with the status-quo and happy to accept mediocrity with the odd glimmer of hope from time to time. This club and it's fans after a decade of crap deserve much better! <ok> And don't give me the "Patience" bollox as it simply doesn't wash anymore!
     
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  4. Trevor Whymark's Mullet

    Trevor Whymark's Mullet New Member

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    You're missing my point JWM. The sheer volume of players who have turned us down in recent seasons (under Keane as well as PJ don't forget) suggests that we are NOT an attractive club, for whatever reason. You talk about a managerial change as if it's guaranteed to improve things, but the truth is it probably won't (certainly not at the speed you seem to want it to) as whoever comes in won't be able to add to the squad until Xmas (other than more loan signings) and then will have to face the same problems that PJ currently has when we fail to sign the players he wants.

    So many posters bang on about youth on here, yet seem to ignore the obvious fact that young players need to be shown patience. They are going to make mistakes, they are going to have bad games, and if we fill the team with them then we are going to get stuffed every now and then. I'm tired of hearing how we need to give youth a chance, and then reading posts slagging off Smith, JET, Carson for being inconsistent. That's what you get with young players! Personally, I'd far rather show some patience with players like these in the side, than witness more old duffers like Bowyer, Bullard, Ellington, Sonko etc puff around the pitch looking for one last pay day.

    The only way we are going to improve quickly is to sign some real quality to add to our squad. Now, from everything I've read it seems that PJ has been trying to do that all summer but has had his hands tied by the financial constraints Marcus Evans has put him under. Unless Evans is suddenly going to change tack and throw money at the problem, then that won't change just because we get a new manager in.

    As for Coppell, what exactly has he done at Crawley that's so good? Last time I checked, he isn't even the manager there. You might also want to ask Bristol City fans what they made of his "marquee" signings during his 4 months in charge that left them with a crippling wage bill and damn nearly saw them relegated to League 1.
     
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  5. white horse

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    MICK McCARTHY is the man we should be after
     
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  6. Mike_Holmes1990

    Mike_Holmes1990 Well-Known Member

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    Grass is always greener

    Play negative/defensive football, trying to scrape 1-0 results, we'd all be crying out saying how boring it is, its not the 'Ipswich Way'.

    Carry out the Ipswich way, trust youth to play attacking football on the ground the we want the defensive football back.

    I said to the Magilton out brigade be careful what you wish for. Last time we looked like challenging was under him.

    As I have said on the Match thread from yesterday, its not so much giving Jewell time, its giving this Squad time.
     
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  7. raging eyejuice

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    if you want to suport a team that wins all the time how about supporting one of the big prem clubs or celtic. I for one support Town because its my home town and i have and always will be a supporter. Ebeneezer Jeremiah Brown had the right idea, he followed the town up or down. Just like I intend to.
     
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  8. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    Fairplay Eyejuice but we seem to be more down than up especially over the last 5 years!
     
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  9. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    We have been linked with the reserve Left-Back at Blackpool. Just want to ask why when we have Cresswell unless we are being softened up for his departure! Nothing less than a commanding CB will do!
     
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  10. Bleakers

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    Maybe if Cresswell gets injured? Or maybe its absolute rubbish
     
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  11. canary-dave

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    Is Lambert still chasing Cresswell?
     
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  12. Bleakers

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    Think they're trying to sign a left back from Middlesbrough, so I think the interest is cooling off
     
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  13. canary-dave

    canary-dave Well-Known Member

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    They've just signed Joe Bennett <ok>
     
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  14. carrabuh

    carrabuh Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what your all complaining about, I think Jewell is doing a fantastic job.

    Stick with it and with a bit of luck they'll be 2 Divisions between us next season.

    Wouldn't that be great!!
     
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  15. DUNDEE BLUE

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    . .

    Johnny there's a difference between being gullible and supporting your team thru thick and thin . Things are not great at the moment and i hope they improve very soon but nobody knows what will happen . Are you suggesting we all rip our season tickets up and protest outside the ground . i personally think that would be harmful to the club .

    What in your opinion should the fans do gullible or not that will affect the running of the club and change things for the better . Would be interesting to know . Any one else with any positive thought on this , please share .

    coyb
     
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  16. itfcptc

    itfcptc Well-Known Member

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    Its amazing the difference a week makes. Before the Blackpool match people seemed to be on the give Jewell time bandwagon, saying he was building a squad for the future, playing good attractive football and with a team working for each other. Even Spanish seemed to be changing his tune.

    Now after what are 2 very poor results the majority seem to want him out. IMO getting rid of Jewell now would set us back a few steps and we would probably have to wait even longer for some sort of success, although saying that steps are finally being put in place and we are building a decent squad. We do actually now have quality over quantity unlike the previous 5 years!!

    It is worrying though, when we are on top and win, we sometimes look really good but once the heads drop we look like we could be in for a thrashing. In my mind we need an experienced organiser of a CB, someone maybe like Jim (I know he's not a CB) who's not affraid to tell the players to buck their ideas up.

    I would be extremely dissapointed if we do not sign a CB, I can't imagine we won't even if it's next month and a loan!!
     
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  17. itfcptc

    itfcptc Well-Known Member

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    Okay now I'm very pissed off!!

    http://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-news/21346/deal-for-posh-pair-falls-through

    Tbf I initially thought it was a ridiculous deal but when I heard we'd had a bid accepted and they'd passed medicals, now that is stupid!!

    One thing I really do get annoyed about with Jewell is he needs to keep his gob shut because when a deal falls through he gets double the flack, when this kind of thing probably happens a fair deal!!

    We either offered them a pittance or someone else got wind that we were about to get a couple of bargains due to Jewell opening his big mouth and therefore a more appealing club have shown an interest!!
     
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  18. San Diego

    San Diego Sir Mediator Forum Moderator

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    "We do actually now have quality over quantity unlike the previous 5 years!!"

    If we had quality we wouldn't be getting tonked or knocked out of the cup by a lower league team
     
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  19. JonahJameson

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    Why did you think it was a ridiculous deal ptc?? Or do you mean ridiculously good?

    I thought that pair were both very good signings, or would have been, should I say. The only two I&#8217;ve thought about that since Cressy and potentially Hewitt in Jewel&#8217;s reign. Better than a defender who some thought was ok seasons ago and that his championship club didn&#8217;t want, a keeper that his championship club didn&#8217;t want, a loan his French club didn&#8217;t want and a re-loan of a mediocre player his Scottish club doesn&#8217;t want etc. Oh well, I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll turn out Premiership standard and PJ will have us soaring up the table, 4+ goals conceded a thing of the past.

    As for Murphy, I&#8217;d usually be whinging that we need to build a squad of not just quality championship players, but as many as possible that could potentially perform in the Premier League (see Norwich and Swansea for but two examples). Murphy, that ain&#8217;t. However, I no longer hold out any hope whatsoever that we&#8217;ll be anywhere near the Premier League for Zeus knows how many years, so let&#8217;s put up with dross signings because anyone good can never agree terms and our fans are happy to put up with a dud manager because changing managers is, by dint of divine ruling, always a bad thing.

    Fair enough some see signs that Jewel can &#8220;take us forward&#8221; (the measure of &#8220;forward&#8221; should be &#8220;can he get us promoted and possibly keep us there&#8221; &#8211; anything else is a continuation of mid-table dross with perhaps fewer 4+ goal maulings than PJ can manage), but the steadfast &#8220;you can&#8217;t change manager&#8221; brigade must work on the following logic:

    Let&#8217;s leave the manager in charge for at least (insert stupid number of seasons here), total dud or not, lest we get a reputation for CHANGING MANAGERS (horror upon horrors) which NEVER WORKS, EVER (apart from the multitude of clubs that it has &#8211; Norwich being an obvious example &#8211; remind me again how long Gunn was in charge and how long it took Lambert to turn it around), and ignore all the years of dross whilst we might be doing much better with someone else, or

    Leave the manager in charge until we are demoted all the way down to (insert acceptable level of the pyramid here). Whichever comes first.

    My only hope as a fan during our current era is that we avoid relegation and finish in something that resembles a semi-respectable position. When we actually manage to sign anyone I no longer look to whether they have promotion standard potential, just can they stand up without a walking frame and actually play in the position that they were signed for. As such I&#8217;m now retrospectively delighted with all PJ&#8217;s recent signings, especially the loans! In fact, if we loan a few more central midfielders (preferably ones that can&#8217;t get games for their clubs at no higher than Championship level) I&#8217;ll faint with excitement and anticipation.
     
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  20. Scouse-Liverpool100

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    Your not fit to play in the Premier League.

    Your rubbish, you have no history and to top it off we beat you on aggegrate of 11-0 in your last premierleague season.

    Now get back in your shell and come back when you have 5 European Cups <ok>
     
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