Your top 3 most over rated players in the world?

Tash

PSG would have though, that's the point of how stupidly they're spending their money. They can't attract the likes of Vidic to their sub standard league, or Kompany, or any top defender for that matter. They're paying through the nose for players who are happy to go and pick up a pay packet knowing fine well that Europe's elite will proceed to hammer them on a regular basis. At least with City, the players can't be accused of selling out to sub standard football. If you think Ligue 1 is even close to the Premier League/La Liga you're deluded.

Moura could have been bought for £30m or 36m Euro but they've agreed to pay 45m for him just to blow the bigger and better teams out of the running.

I'm not even going to debate Chiellini.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree. But Silva is a better CB than Vidic IMO.

Vidic is over rated and no where near the best CB in the world. He's constantly escaping suspensions.

Pepe is the same, except he actually gets red cards at times when he deserves them. Still not enough.

 

Mine Would be:

Ashley Young - Every now and then will score a screamer but most of the time he is quiet

Nani - Same as Ashley young really.. No consistency & Being hyped as the next Ronaldo hasnt helped him!

Suarez - Everyone says he is amazing but all i ever see from him is Diving and an average goal tally. I know alot of people say that he hit the post alot last season but hitting the post = off target!

Mentions for Messi (Yes Messi! Without Xavi and Iniesta he would be average in my opinion), Van Persie (One good season doesnt make take you up to the greatness of Henry, Cantona & Shearer) & Adebayor (dont see many goals which arent tap ins... IMO Spurs could get a better striker for the money).

 

Tash

I agree to disagree mate.

Vidic has been on the receiving end of enough poor decisions himself too, a red card vs Otelul Galati last year springs to mind immediately. Pepe is a totally different level dirty though, that game where he basically tries to kick that guys head off whilst he's on the floor was ridiculous.

 

For all Vidic has been lucky a fair few times, personally I think Man U would have won the league if he hadn't been out injured all year. So I wouldn't call him overrated. He's not the best CB in the world, but he's vital to Man United. Suarez is also vastly overrated. Granted he's got skills and tricky feet, but for the chances he gets, he should have scored twice as many goals as he did last year.

 

The mark of a truly great Centre back (n my opinion) is one who can play both a high line (barca) and a deep line (Mourinho - Inter) system.

Vidic is great at the deep line system, but not so great at high line system, and that is when he tends to foul and pick up cards. He's been made to look silly a few times.
Terry is the same, an example being when he decided Robin Van Persie was just too fast and flopped to the ground.
Pique is the opposite for me, good at the high line, not so great at defending deep under pressure. Vermaelen another example.

But, Thiago Silva is one of the few who can do both right now (Kompany is another)... He also does it to a high standard, and therefore is the best in the world in my opinion.
Lucio was also great at both back in the day, as was Cannavaro.

 

You're getting too caught up on goals and assists. Leaving aside the fact that it isn't Modric's role to put it on a plate for strikers, assists are a bit of a daft stat. Ameobi got one for taking a throw in when in reality it had nothing to do with the goal, which was a piece of brilliance from Cisse. Modric keeps the game flowing with a brilliant passing range and understanding of the game and there aren't many better in his role.

For overrated I'd go with Jones, Suarez and Torres. Jones looks clumbsy, has no proper position and in general looked very poor last season. Suarez rarely turns up against the big teams, he's a good player but not great, let alone World Class as some think. Torres is simply not the player he was for a couple of seasons at 'Pool. How many times does Torres get one goal and everyone gushes over him claiming "he's back" before he goes on another 10 game goalless streak?

 

How you can use the Average and Messi in the same sentence is baffling. I presume Xavi and Iniesta snuck into the Argentina Brazil match in which Messi scored a hat trick? Strangely enough I agree with you about RVP he is the centre of everything at arsenal and while he is world class and undoubtedly one of the best out and out strikers I think he gets too much hype.

 

John O'Shea is my number one over-rated player - how on earth Fergie kept picking him I'll never know
Also think that Andy Johnson (how long is it since he scored goals?) and Pepe Reina would be in there

 

This is a joke right???

Messi average? He is probably the best player you will ever see on the football pitch, yes he also has great players around him but to say he is average without Xavi and Iniesta is just ridiculous.

Regarding RVP, I dont think anyone would say he is up there with Henry, and I hate to praise an (ex)Arsenal player but how can he be overrated? He singlehandedly keep Arsenal in the CL places last year.

That then brings me on to Adebayor, IF reports are to be believed City are prepared to accept £5m for him, can you please let me know a better player that you can get for less than that, I will forward it on to Mr Levy myself. Newcastle fans of all people saying Adebayor is overrated!!! He tore your lot a new one at the Lane, 4 assists and a goal, yeah he is cr*p.

 

Stick Messi in the Stoke squad and watch him score about 13 goals a season!

 

As an attacking midfielder though, it's partly your job to provide goalscoring chances and score goals yourself. Looking at the best attacking midfielders in the world, the likes of Ozil, Iniesta, Scholes in his prime, Kaka before madrid, all of them create or score goals almost every week. That's what Modric needs to add to his game before he's worth what Spurs are asking for him.

Also, Shola didn't take the throw in, think that was Raylor. Shola chested it down to Cisse for Cisse to unleash it

 

For a striker of his height in stokes team, 13 goals would be impressive. Stick ANY under 6 foot striker in stokes team and they'd struggle to get ten

But if we're playing the "he's got Xavi and Iniesta" card, how come Villa wasn't scoring 40 goals when he wasn't injured? And then you have to say Ronaldo is also overrated. Granted there's Xavi and Iniesta, but Madrid do have the likes of Ozil, Alonso, Di Maria to give him service.

 

Modric created 92 shots for team-mates last season, the most in the PL. Opta stats.

Also, this is Suarez's career goal tally:

Nacional 27 (10)
Groningen 29 (10)
Ajax 110 (81)
Liverpool 44 (15)
Uruguay 54 (28)

That's far from average! Admittedly his desperate luck and tendency to go for the spectacular limited his goals last season. Should have scored around 20-25 for Liverpool by now in the league. His overall tally last season was 39 apps, 17 goals, 7 assists.

 

Fair enough. They need better strikers then

 

Rooney
Van Persie
Gerrard
Neymar
Walcott
Scholes
Bale
Sturridge
A. Young
Ribery
Parker
Suarez
Gomez
Valdes
Modric
Carroll (the word decent is flatering)
Terry


In any order, though at this moment in time RVP definitely wins. I'm not saying any are bad players, just all of them have their ability blown out of proportion, and for different reasons.

 

He doesn't play as an attacking midfielder though. If you'd seen enough of him to form an opinion not based on stats you'd know that.

I stand corrected on Shola though

 

I dunno mate I see what your saying but I find ronaldo a completely different player.. if your playing in a passing team then you know your only as good as the players around you whereas Ronaldo is a direct player (could say greedy).

Being messi to the EPL and see if he could have the same effect as ronaldo had.. Unfortunately it is the only way to prove it either way..

 

RVP got Arsenal into the champions league ONE season.. When has a great player been judged on one season??? And I'm glad you asked the question of a better player for under 5m.. Demba Ba? We got him for free and he scored more than Ade... Oh and he is on low wages whereas Ade is on ridiculous wage which makes up for the low transfer fee.. BOOM!

 

Tiote is the best player I've ever seen play for Newcastle. Why does everyone get hung up on his "aggressive play" (what happened to the term "professional foul"), when Tiote is a tremendous footballer? His passing is just as key to our game, and if you want to replace him you can forget trying to do it with one player, because a good passer or a good tackler is just half a Tiote. He's the metronome of our team, and I truly believe him and Cabaye could be the best CM pairing in the league if everyone fielded a traditional 4-4-2. Most opposition managers have been stupid enough to think simply playing 5 mids will take the game when we line-up 4-4-2, but Tiote is so adept at fulfilling a dual role that they can rarely over-run us with that tactic.

Don't know what he's worth. It's always a relative transfer market, by which I mean relative to precedent, relative to the length of his contract, and relative to any future employer's funds as well as ours. Overall, I'd say we could ask for £30 million of the right club, we would get 30-20 million from most until the last year of his contract, but I'd be annoyed if he left for £20 million or less. There's no need for us to part with him for that much. For a true valuation, I'd say he's worth £500+ for a ST any day, and I suspect most would agree... So that's a fair few accumulative million he's genuinely worth.

And my three most overrated players are:
1. Petr Cech... He lost it when he started wearing that cap(which should have the matching helicopter component refitted)... Was great, now he's loved by commentators, pitied by fans
2. Bale... Was **** for my fantasy football team... He's not all that.
3. (possibly) SHOLA... I think he's god, but apparently people are telling me he's just a normal man?! And not that good a footballer... Heretics
4. (actually) Cristiano Ronaldo... Why do people keep getting a hardon when he steps up to take a free-kick... Almost all of them either hit the wall, or og over/wide... He's a good player, but letting this lad do everything for your team is not a good idea, especially as he nearly always goes missing in big games.