(British) Asian Players?

Got it in one! West London. I see there are one or two people on this form who look further afield then just calling ever one a racist who makes a comment that dose not fit in with the PC narrow minded mob! Thank you for writing that , like a breath of fresh air!

 

I'm with James on this one.

Imaz, I respect you mate but its about time you stopped blaming the natives for everything. This racist card is ridiculous. If football is a business - which it undoubtedly is these days - then Clubs wouldn't give a toss what Colour skin you have if you're good enough.

Its either racist or its a business, you can't have it both ways.

 

Natives? Black and Asian British are more "Native" than white people from Dublin. Fact.

 

Have you actually read this thread properly?



Thought not.

 

Dont quite agree with all of that mate.
There is also the issue of players having race issues. Football roots are working class and a lot of those attitudes rub off on the people playing the game. I'm sure we can all think of a time when a player has been racist towards another player, so to say racism isnt a factor is just wrong.
I am by now means saying it is the deciding factor, just that it does exist and plays a part...speaking from personal experience.
It is no-where like the level it used to be but its still there.

Also..And this could be taken completely the wrong way..
Do you think it has anything to do with genetics? As "the average" Asian player is physically smaller and less built, does that make it harder for them to break through and deal with the physical side of the game. they obviously have ability and technical skills

I ask ithis in the same way that the "average" West Indian physique is more designed for physical pursuits....Dont remember to many Asian Olympic sprinters do you?
If anyone takes offence to that, then i appologise unreservedly and did not mean any offence to be taken
Just a thought though.....

PHEW..think i got away with that?!!

 

You need to go back and read what's been said mate. You're way off the mark.

 

Appreciate the support, but that's not quite what I said. There are a lot of different factors that all go together to push young British Asians away from taking up football seriously. One of these is racism. It's not the only one, and in a lot of cases it is not the most influential element, but it's still there and still needs dealing with.

My point wais that the other elements also need dealing with - if you just pick one or two things to resolve, yo'll never get the plaeyrs coming through because there are always going to be other factors that keep them out of the game.

 

Willy, you say racism is one of the factors for pushing British Asians away from the game. Racism by who? Players or supporters? it cant be supporters because before any footballer gets to a level where they perform in front of crowds they would have played where they were watched by one man and his dog. it it players? Surely any dressing room racism would cause all sorts of problems for clubs. i doubt if there is one club in senior football who does not have at least one player from the ethnic comunity.

The word racism is bandied about but what does it really mean. it certainly is not a black and white thing. Living in West London i have seen far worse incidents of racism between asian groups and between different african groups than between white and black/brown.

To be honest i think that British Asians do not dream of becoming footballers, more likely accountants and engineers. they realise the chances of becoming well paid footballer is very small and it is not because of some scouts aversion to someones colour.

 

I dont give a ****e if they want to be footballers or not
I just want to see the best talent at the top level
I wish this thread would come to an end

 

It was a very balanced and fair post Willy.

A sign of that is everyone is taking bits to support their own views.

 

The bold bit is what the thread's about.

It's not meant to be provocative. If there's nothing in the thread for you, why involve yourself? Ignore it.

It's simply a discussion item for the dry season, exploring a curious footballing phenomenon which clearly has no simple answer.

 

Flyer has a point on this, clubs do whats best for the clubs.

If minorities teams/players want to start their 'own' leagues that is perfectly ok. It's not perfectly ok to start minority leagues and then moan on about racism. Pot calling the kettle........

It is a tough issue though as you can see why communities want some solidarity and a sense of the familiar, but is that at the expense of intergration?

The best will make it in football if they follow the well worn route in. If you wait to be found in any local league you are deluded.

 

Can you start a team and exclude players on the grounds of race or religion?

I ask because if it's legal then maybe every culture that hates another should be made to include 5or6 of the people they disagree with/dislike the most.

Example: Any Jewish team must include 6 muslims and vice versa. on a national level it would be great - USA playing with 5 Iranians or England with a couple of frogs. This could really work!!!

This may just be the end to all war and peace on earth.

Thank you.

 

Wouldn't end war - it would simply result in evry match being a 0-0 draw whilst each team sets about their team-mates with machetes...

 

So far we've identified a few reasons why British Asians, and particularly those from subcontinental backgrounds, are so conspicuously under-represented at top level. These are social class and historical reasons mainly. They include:

- significant numbers from middle-class families who place education and conventional professions above risking futures in not just football but sport generally;

- those from the poorest areas who might see sport as a way up, lack the support from both the football authorities and families alike, to bring them into the mix (this would equally apply to ALL other communities); and

- an assumption by the football authorities that subcontinental Asians are for various reasons not suited to football (not 'built' for it, or athletic or talented enough etc.).

To this I'd add lack of 'heroes' or role models to emulate unlike kids from European, South American, African and Australasian backgrounds.

Similarly a historical detachment from the game.

Whilst overt racism WAS a major excluder right up to the 90s, the inclusions of most if not all other non-white participants ever since means it's clearly much less of an issue nowadays.

For those genuinely interested, the following link was recommended earlier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...on_football#List_of_British_Asian_footballers

Any other factors I might have missed?

 

They may insist on opening a shop in the 4 corners of the stadium

 

I'm sorry?

 

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Lol

 

Native comes from the Latin verb to be born, hope that helps. (Pre natal, post natal etc...)

Simple really unless you happen to be a racist ****.

 

Imaz. What ever you think of Swords he is not a racist unless his dislike of people from Norwich counts.