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QPR eye ban loophole for Barton

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  1. NorwayRanger

    NorwayRanger Well-Known Member

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    QPR consider Joey Barton loan to speed up 12-match ban

    By Mike Whalley
    BBC Sport

    QPR are considering loaning Joey Barton to a Football League club to speed up the serving of his 12-match ban.

    Barton was suspended after being sent off against Manchester City in May and then clashing with Sergio Aguero and Vincent Kompany on his way off.

    FA rules allow the Loftus Road club to apply for Barton to serve the ban with another club.

    QPR are considering all options with regards to the midfielder going out on loan.

    Barton will begin training with League Two Fleetwood Town this week as QPR are on a pre-season tour of Malaysia.

    The FA would consider any application to transfer the ban, but do have the power to reject it if they feel it as an abuse of the disciplinary process.

    Barton could serve his suspension more quickly in the Football League because its clubs play more games over the season than their Premier League counterparts.

    Former Manchester City defender Danny Mills, a team-mate of Barton's while he was at City, said it was a shrewd move.

    Mills told BBC Sport: "If it was me I would say it was a great idea. It's not against the rules, some might argue it's against the spirit of the game, but until that loophole is closed then why would you not exploit it? You can't play any kind of football during that time.

    "It just goes to show that [QPR] realise Joey Barton is a good player, no matter what you think of him and what he's done. He has a value. If they can get him back sooner, whether that be to move him on or to keep him, then from QPR's point of view, that can only be a good thing."

    QPR are not scheduled to play their 12th Premier League game of the season until 17 November, although they could feature in three Capital One Cup ties in that time, which would also count towards the ban.

    Championship clubs are due to play their 12th league game on the midweek of 23 and 24 October, while teams in League One and League Two are set to reach that stage of the season on 13 October, subject to postponements for international call-ups.

    Clubs in the Football League could also play up to four Capital One Cup ties in that time, which again would count towards the suspension. League One and Two clubs will also play in the Johnstone's Paint Trophy.

    Barton received his ban, together with a £75,000 fine, as a result of his behaviour during QPR's 3-2 defeat at the Etihad Stadium on 13 May.

    The midfielder was initially shown a red card for an off-the-ball clash with City striker Carlos Tevez.

    He received a four-match ban for that offence, as it was his second sending off of the season.

    The incidents involving Aguero and Kompany came after Barton had been dismissed, meaning they fell outside the jurisdiction of the referee, and resulted in a further eight-match suspension.

    Barton, in a blog on his website, wrote: "The possibility of a loan move has been mentioned, where there's been interest from several European clubs and a lot of Championship clubs too, as you may expect."

    QPR, the FA and Manchester City all declined to comment.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18971248
     
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  2. JARLIN

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    Great idea if it comes off,its a win-win situation for me.does hughes wants him back early, or does he want him in the shop window quicker ?
     
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  3. Ciarrai_Abu

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    It just isn't right. He should serve his rightful time.
     
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  4. Vale_Hoops

    Vale_Hoops Well-Known Member

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    Can we loan him to someone who plays Once a year ?
     
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  5. KentGaz

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    I think/hope it's a way if getting him out sooner
     
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  6. Shawswood

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    They could have made it a length of time ban e.g. 3 months and then there would have been no wriggle room, but they didn't so it appears as though it's not against the rules to look for ways of shortening the time span and thus circumventing the spirit of the ban. Not the club's fault, they don't make the rules...
     
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    No but they may exploit them. Still doesn't make it right.
     
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  8. West London Willy

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    Not our rules, mate. Whilst it maybe doesn't 'feel' right, it certainly isn't 'wrong'. It makes good sense to compress the ban down to as few weeks as possible, simply because whether he stays or goes, Barton is a valuable club asset, in which we have considerable capital invested.

    If it was down to me, I'd loan him to a five a side team that played 12 games in a week.
     
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  9. ESPANACOL

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    I was in the 'get rid' camp but never put it in writing. Now the dust has settled we all have to remember the club is also a business. Well run businesses do not write off valuable assetts so why should we do anything different.

    It happened and now lets get over it and get JB loaned to somewhere where the ban runs down quickly and he gets game time before January. Dont forget that bloody waste of time the African cup may take some of our players so JB could be needed then.

    I am not saying forgive and forget. We need to do whats best for our club (business).
     
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  10. davewilliams

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    I think that we should get this ban served asap. I agree that it's not the most ethical approach, but I honestly think that we need JB bak in the team.
     
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  11. GroveRanger

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    The owners are businessmen and will be led by their brains and not their hearts. Barton still has value and if they get him back into the 1st team sooner he can be picked by Sparky if needs be or brought up to full match fitness in time for the January transfer window should the board decide that selling him is the best option.

    I've already predicted that Barton will play again for QPR and that his first return matches will be away fixtures to ease him back into the fans favour. Although approximately 95% or so of Not606ers want him gone the club are not interested in what we may want and I think they will try to get the best out of him by either putting him back in the team or making as much money as they can get if he is up for sale.
     
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  12. BrixtonR

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    I'm having trouble with this one...

    Not the loophole thing in itself but the notion of 'loaning' Joey out to a club where he'll sit out games but never actually play for.

    Okay, so that club won't be contributing to his wages but apart from that, what's in it for them? Surely it can't be for the bragging rights in saying, 'we had Joey Barton on our books once'!
     
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    Hi Brix

    The only conclusion I can draw is that QPR may well be paying another club money over and above the actual wages to take him. As you say, he wont be playing so there has to be something in it for them, I just can't figure out what else there is. If that is the case it seems a bit crazy to me, even if the funds are there to cover such a cost.
     
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  14. NorwayRanger

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    Looks like he's only at Fleetwood for a week. I agree, can't see what's in it for the ones that loan him either.


    Fleetwood Town manager Micky Mellon says he is delighted to have Joey Barton training with the club, claiming the controversial midfielder can be a good influence on his squad during his week-long stay.
    http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/andy-goldsteins-sports-bar/120725/mellon-barton-fleetwood-win-win-situation-everyone-177326
     
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  15. GloucesterRanger

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    It wouldn't surprise me if we announced a pre season friendly against them....maybe next year.
     
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  16. Flyer

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    They get to have him for 6 weeks to build up match fitness after his ban ends and he comes back in January so we can either sell him or put him in the squad.
     
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  17. RicardoHCAFC

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    Think longer term. Take Barton now, get first dibs on your academy players going out on loan in future.

    Good luck with it though, loopholes are there to be exploited until the authorities close them (spoken like a true accountant).
     
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  18. Flyer

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    The BBC have confirmed that Fleetwood have signed him until January on loan.

    We do build up good relations with teams thats gets them money, eg Wycombe and Aldershot for pre season friendlies. It wouldnt surprise me if a pre season game next year was part of the plan.
     
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  19. QPR Oslo

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    From BBC Sport:
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    3 August 2012 Last updated at 16:04 GMT

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    Comments (7) Joey Barton is set to sign a six-month loan deal with League Two Fleetwood from QPR, BBC Radio Lancashire reports.

    The 29-year-old midfielder is due to serve a 12-match suspension at the start of the season and will return to action sooner at the Cod Army because they play more games early on.

    He could now return on 6 October or sooner, six weeks earlier than if he stayed at QPR.

    The loan deal is expected to be finalised over the weekend.

    Barton played 45 minutes of Fleetwood's friendly with Kilmarnock on Tuesday and is now hopeful of playing against Tranmere in Saturday's friendly.

    When could Barton return now?
    Joey Barton could make his Fleetwood debut against Cheltenham at Saturday, 6 October (sooner if they have a cup run), whereas 17 November's game with Southampton would have been his return date if he stayed at Loftus Road
    The one-time England international agreed to join the Football League newcomers for a week during pre-season, but was not expected to play a match.

    He knows several Fleetwood players from his younger days and has a close friendship with Cod Army forward Andy Mangan.

    Barton was sent off on the final day of last season as QPR lost at Manchester City and was later found guilty of two counts of violent conduct by the Football Association.

    The midfielder was initially shown a red card for an off-the-ball clash with City striker Carlos Tevez and incidents with Sergio Aguero and Vincent Kompany came after Barton had been dismissed.

    He received a four-match ban for the foul on Tevez and another eight for his further offences.

    Fleetwood Town
    Home: Highbury Stadium, 5,094-capacity

    Average attendance 2011-12: 2,264

    Why was 2011-12 Fleetwood's most successful season? Declared Blue Square Bet Premier champions with two games remaining and reached the third round of the FA Cup after knocking out Football League clubs Wycombe and Yeovil
    Rangers fined Barton six weeks' wages and stripped him of the club captaincy, as well as leaving him out of the squad for their pre-season tour of Malaysia.

    Barton would be eligible to make his competitive Cod Army debut against Cheltenham on Saturday, 6 October - or could even return in September if they have runs in the League Cup and Johnstone's Paint Trophy.

    Had he stayed at Loftus Road, the 17 November game against Southampton would have been his return date barring progress in the League Cup.

    When the idea was first mooted, former Manchester City defender Danny Mills told BBC Sport: "If it was me I would say it was a great idea. It's not against the rules, some might argue it's against the spirit of the game, but until that loophole is closed then why would you not exploit it?"
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    Don't see where it says till january, but that would make sense.
     
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    there <ok>
     
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