For the many thousands who live and work in the real, none glamorous world of every day normality we have to do our best to get along with each other, work with each other. We do it with guidance from our parents during childhood, teachers at school, our peers and workmates and the law of the land, we sort have have to work it out for ourselves. Most of us at some time will have laughed at someone who has a different colour and culture, sniggered at pictures or stories of gays, queers, puffs or whatever name was in fashion. We will all have gone through that rebellious stage when respect is replaced by rebellion. Most of us, not all but most, grow up and learn to live with each other, accept each other and by and large we work it all out for ourselves. Now in the world of football these grown up common sense ways seem not be be sufficient, we need, THE RESPECT CAMPAIGN KICK RACISM OUT And still very few homosexuals who can stand up and say I am gay. So my question is, Are footballers and their fans unable to live how the rest of us do? Do they need extra help? Are they simply less tolerant and more prejudiced? Or have the footballing authorities simply over reacted and got it wrong? Why do I ask, well TBH, I'm a little bored.
for them Syd money is no object and they can buy what mortals like us can only dream of, if you are asking am i sorry for the few with problems.....................ER no greedy ****s.
Syd, I think pro footballer's who tend to 'bat that way' for use of a better term, without offending would worry they may end up doing a Justin Fashanu.....
Too heavy for a sober Sunday afternoon, will try to come back to it in the early hours, when things become clearer to me.
A good subject for everyone to tippy toe around, in order not to offend the pc brigade. Up to them as to how they are inclinded, but would still feel uncomfortable getting in the shower. As for feeling sorry for a player, it's up to the ruling body and the players to sort that out, this will go on a lot longer than the race thing.
Footballers think they are a law to themselves. Because of the money, the protection of agents and hangers on they live in a bubble of arrogance and devil take the hindmost. In football's male dominated culture any gay (sorry if that offends - I dont know what term is correct) has to hide their true self. Remenber this tho. Last year a leading Rugby Union player came out. My point is I cant remember the lads name - because its not important about a person's sexual leanings or their colour. Given the number of professional footballers, statistics say some must be gay. The shame is they cannot live their lives as they want because of the culture. x
Well for what its worth, the racism thing leaves me a little confused, industrial language and roots mean the obvious was always the first attack, skin colour, hair colour, height, weight, nationality. Was always used, IMO, in a none raciest way more an easy hit. Respect, or lack of it seems to have frown with bank balances. Homophobia is a problem or symptom of what's seen as a masculine world of football, it seems to be assumed by many that male footballers are hunky all man types and woman footballers are in the main lesbians. Funny old world.
I have to say I would feel awkward in a shower with a gay teammate after a game. I don't think homophobia is such a huge problem, just around the age of 13/14, gay boys aren't likely to be interested in football etc, so will pursue other interests, and any chance of them becoming pros will disappear.
It will need someone of great conviction and courage to come out openly and say they are gay in the world of football, and whoever does it will have my support all the way. It is sad when people say they would "feel uncofortable" in the shower with a gay man. It says a lot more about your own sexuality than most would admit publically. I for one couldnt care less if there was a gay man was in a sports team i played in, nor would it bother me in the showers. Idk why, but i get the impression that some people think that a gay man would be immediately checking everyone out in the showers, ready to pounce on them as soon as they drop the soap. That simply isnt the case, just like heterosexual men dont find all women attractive. Stereotyping is the problem i think. Being gay doesnt immediately make you camp and flamboyant, just like being straight doesnt make you all butch and manly. People who feel they cannot come out and express theri sexuality because of fear from their peers should be supported in every way possible. People need to be educated about the issue. Thats my thoughts though. feel free to disagree
I might have a quick glance like But I would do my best to respect their privacy, its common courtesy. But I dont think David Vaughan has anything to worry about.
Obviously, but the fact is you know there's a gay man going to be taking peeks at your bits, you might be fine with that but from a personal point of view, I'd rather he didn't Aye I don't think him or Colback will have any such problems.
try being in the army with some gay **** ogling you at every opportunity all you want to do is smack him one, its mixed everything in the forces, you have to rely on your comrades, but **** me if you drop the soap in the shower it costs you a fortune, scared to pick it up , thats why brut soap on a rope was invented, anyone thinking im a gay hater, your wrong, i dislike them, however i want my privacy respected as well,
After a hard workout in the gym I used the shower to get clean! By the way, why bother taking two bottles in! x
I tend to agree, reading some comment's on here, re: being in the same shower as such. You could have Julian Clary on one hand. I said on, not (in) and that Welsh Rugby guy (forget his name) on the other. Now Julian is has camp as..... where the rugby guy, well you wouldn't even know!! But basically having a shower should not be a worry or concern, but have to say slightly off subject, unless it's changed since my younger day's I think adult's (male) and youngster's (male) should shower in different areas.
