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The Official Not606 German GP Chat & Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Forza Bianchi, Jul 17, 2012.

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Who will win the German GP?

Poll closed Jul 20, 2012.
  1. Fernando Alonso

    31.3%
  2. Mark Webber

    3.1%
  3. Sebastian Vettel

    31.3%
  4. Lewis Hamilton

    15.6%
  5. Kimi Raikkonen

    3.1%
  6. Nico Rosberg

    3.1%
  7. Romain Grosjean

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Jenson Button

    6.3%
  9. Sergio Perez

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Pastor Maldonado

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Paul Di Resta

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. Michael Schumacher

    6.3%
  13. Felipe Massa

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Kamui Kobayashi

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. Other

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. di Fredsta!

    di Fredsta! Well-Known Member

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    I'm not so sure, he'll be the first to look at this in a championship perspective and given that anything happens when it's wet, he'll probably want it dry as you'd expect him to finish in the top 2 with Vettel and either Maldonado or one of the Mclarens on the podium with them. If it's unpredictable, Webber might win the race and get even closer!
    I for one (supporting Alonso - as you all know) want it to be dry and for him to get another podium.
     
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  2. Browser

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    Cosi, I assumed it was a calculated risk that McLaren sent out both drivers early in Q3, thinking conditions would deterioate, thus gaining an advantage.I'd hardly call it "ponderous", they made the call and it didn't pan out.

    I was more surprised that they didn't cover the later runs though (in Q3), of RBR and Nando.Anyways, the forecast is fair and they look to have decent pace in the dry (neither driver seems too upset), so I expect they could both have a decent race ?
     
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  3. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. How often have we seen big teams trip up in the past by waiting for conditions to get better and then they get worse? It also gives the drivers a chance to get into a rhythm and explore where the grip is if they go out earlier, Ferrari and Mercedes took a risk and it paid off, it could backfire next time, although they'd no doubt be rescued by a red flag again. <whistle>

    Why are you so sure of Ferrari in the wet cosi? Vettel said his lap was scruffy and he was on older tyres so presumably the Red Bull is the quicker car in the wet. They looked quicker in the warm third practice session as well, it was only when it was cool and overcast in Q1 where they struggled to get the tyres working, if I was Alonso I'd be hoping for that, less chance of get screwed over by a safety car if it's dry as well.
     
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  4. Delete Me

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    Also what's the chance of the wet weather performance of the Ferrari over heating it's tyres being transferred to as well into the dry setting?

    Could Fernando have a big task on his hand to stay on the podium or are Ferarri realistically smarter than that?
     
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  5. Delete Me

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    Thats very good but I think I'm correct in believing that the prime is actually better than the option here?
     
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  6. TomTom94

    TomTom94 Well-Known Member

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    Hamilton set his fastest time in P2 on the primes so you might well be correct.
     
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  7. tomcat606

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  8. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

    Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat Active Member

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    Red Bull under investigation for illegal engine mapping.
     
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  9. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    Horner: "The result was declared after qualifying". Does this mean, 'tough **** if it's illegal, you can't change the result'?
     
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  10. TomTom94

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    Well, everyone said even in pre-season that they sounded like they were still off-throttle blowing. But more to the point, they have completely broken the rules of qualifying and based on the precedent earlier in the season of LH at Canada they should be disqualified from at least qualifying, if not the race.

    WHY DID I GET VETTEL IN THE SWEEPSTAKE <wah>
     
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  11. tomcat606

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    RBR can always appoint against any decision. So it will not be decided here in Hockenheim i guess.
     
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  12. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

    Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat Active Member

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    Sorry but how unfair would it be if Red Bull were allowed to race from their grid position with that on their car? They should start from the pit lane.
     
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  13. tomcat606

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    Talk about prejudice. Its not even decided yet, it will be investigated.
     
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  14. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    It's not as if you can accidentally map the engine... <whistle>

    But fair point, tomcat, we should wait and see. The FIA sounded quite certain though.
     
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  15. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    The regulation they're supposed to have broken:
    5.5.3 The maximum accelerator pedal travel position must correspond to an engine torque demand equal to or greater than the maximum engine torque at the measured engine speed.

    Seems pretty ridiculous that they're comparing this to previous races, that means it would've been legal if they'd been doing it all season. :undecided:

    If it's declared illegal though they still can't race with it, and you're not allowed to change engine maps between quali and the race any more, so they'll either have to race an illegal map and be disqualified or break parc ferme regulations and presumably start from the pit lane.
     
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  16. TheModestMatt

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    Nothing to worry about, they will be allowed to keep their qualifying times, race with it, get a 1-2 then have it banned for the following race.
     
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  17. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah reading it again it sounds as if it's definitely illegal and has been referred to the stewards to decide a suitable punishment for this grand prix. Looks like they'll both be starting from the pit lane. :(
     
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  18. tomcat606

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18943608

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    Red Bull and engine supplier Renault believe they are acting within the rules and that the car is legal.

    ...

    However, Red Bull could appeal against any guilty verdict and race from their original starting positions.

    Rival teams expect a verdict before the start of the race at 1300 BST.
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  19. TomTom94

    TomTom94 Well-Known Member

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    Could we end up with the start of the race being delayed? Has that ever happened before?

    If Red Bull and Renault believe they are acting within the law their punishment should be made more severe in the same way that frivolous appeals against bans in football are penalised more harshly.
     
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  20. tomcat606

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    Dream on.....
     
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