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Penalty kicks

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by monty987, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. monty987

    monty987 Well-Known Member

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    I thought i would like to talk about why penalty kicks are different in league games to cup games, why can you not follow up a shot in a 5 penalty shoot out?.
     
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  2. Billy Death

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    Don't know about that marra.
     
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  3. Cheik the room

    Cheik the room Well-Known Member

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    Because in a normal game, the ball goes back into open play if you miss. There are defenders all around following it in to try and clear it should you miss. In a shoot out, it's just you vs the keeper, no defenders to latch on to rebounds, would be unfair if the keeper saved it and you could just walk up to it and roll it in the empty net.
     
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  4. To make it harder
     
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  5. Redan_White

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    :D
     
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  6. ;)
     
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  7. blackcatsteve

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    A Penalty is when you score from the spot, if the keeper saves it/comes back off the post, then it gets put in, its scored from open play, it wont come up Bent (84) PEN just BENT (84).

    Baically you missed the penalty so scoring from the rebound will never be allowed in a shootout.
     
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  8. Nostalgic

    Nostalgic Well-Known Member

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    The game is over the match normal time, once it goes "dead" from the penalty shot then the game ceases.
     
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  9. Rafa's Championship Party

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    Pretty much this, what about it won't come up Larsson (84) PEN just Larsson (84).
     
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  10. Black Cat Kiwi

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    Steve - You'll like this one.

    How many Spanish players does it take INSIDE the box when taking a penalty kick from the spot when playing France to require the penalty kick to be retaken <whistle>
     
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  11. Billy Death

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    Dunno but he'll come up with a statistic to prove you wrong,.
     
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  12. blackcatsteve

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    but there was 0, maybe 1 at a push but it is that tight I would argue he didnt run in till Alonso took the shot, there was only 2 on the edge of the box, that could have been anywhere near going over the line.

    [video]http://videa.hu/videok/sport/spain-2-0-france-hoofoot.com-www.hoofoot.com-4hYPxyZ6Rn2nEblf[/video]

    link didnt work for embedding, but fast forward to 4:20 and watch it again.
     
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  13. Black Cat Kiwi

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    It was debated at length after the match on the link I watched as to whether the officials have the conviction to adjudicate the rules correctly in this facet of the game. Choosing to use this example, as it was one which did not alter the outcome of the game.
    The general consensus was that they don't. Pointing out that if the ball had rebounded back into play, that the three that were in at the moment the ball is kicked would’ve had an unfair advantage over the French. Had they missed then due to a French player having a foot inside the penalty area that the kick would’ve had to be retaken. They were pointing out yet again that the officials are inconsistent in their application of the rules & not up to the task. What's new <laugh>
    I know how much you enjoy facts’n’stats hence my mentioning this one.
    They used the shot from behind the goal & highlighted the players in the slowmo
    Ps: Their official answer was 1 French & 3 Spanish for what it’s worth.
     
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  14. marcusblackcat

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    If you're talking about Young's penalty - he wouldn;t be able to follow up anyway - if he touched the ball again it'd be an indirect free kick against him in normal play as, when you take a free kick, someone else must touch the ball after you (or it must go directly into the goal) So as Young took the kick, the ball hit the bar with no interference from anyone (I.e. the keeper didn;t save it) - he wouldn't be able to follow it up.

    I remember this happened to us against Blackpool in 1987 or 88 - John MacPhail took a penalty, hit the bar and headed it into the corner - the ref gave an indirect free-kick against him for playing the ball twice
     
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  15. Tickler

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    [video=youtube;-qP6MCUcna0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qP6MCUcna0[/video]

    But in this case, when in a penalty shoot the keeper originally saved the ball, the ball actually rolled back into the net.... therefore the ball was back into play as the goal was counted....
     
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  16. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    Five, that is pretty ****e like...How many English take the pens for their clubs?


    ROY HODGSON insisted there was nothing more England could have done as they lost their FIFTH successive penalty shootout.

    Ashley Young and Ashley Cole both failed to score from 12 yards as the Three Lions were sent packing from Euro 2012.

    Hodgson said: &#8220;I&#8217;ve watched all these players smashing in penalties during training but you can&#8217;t reproduce the occasion, the tension and the nervousness.

    &#8220;No amount of coaching can reproduce the cool calculated way Andrea Pirlo chipped the keeper.

    &#8220;We had five great penalty takers but unfortunately for us two of them missed.

    &#8220;We saw Cole scoring a penalty in the Champions League final for Chelsea and Young has converted many for his club sides.

    &#8220;We tried our very best to win, we worked as hard as we could and we survived the cramps and physical problems we suffered
     
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  17. marcusblackcat

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    They changed the rules a few years ago and made it official that the play has to come to an end (either the ball is cleared or the ball is dead - either by going in or going wide/over) - if the ball hits the post, rebounds off the keepers back and goes in it counts - as per the one above - but the taker can only kick the ball once in a penalty shootout
     
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  18. monty987

    monty987 Well-Known Member

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    What happens if a player takes a penalty hits a seagull, deflects of the post hits the ref in the town halls, then on to the goalkeepers head then you backside ,as you turn away then goes into the net!.
     
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  19. Lever Malone

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    The goal should be disallowed because the ball hit the pigeon. The pigeon is something that is not normally in the field of play unlike say a referee. When we scored that goal against Liverpool the referee should've disallowed the goal and restarted play with a bounced ball where the football hit the beach ball. Although I am glad he did give it I have always wondered why he and the assistant didn't know the rules.
     
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  20. Nads

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    The ball never went dead on that, it kept moving.

    If this one didn't count, nor would one when a keeper gets fingers on it, as he blocked it, but ddn't actually stop it crossing the line.
     
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