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Ramsey to Fulham Rumours Gathering pace

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Cb, Jun 25, 2012.

  1. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    Wilshere, Rosicky, Arteta, Diaby, Song, Coq - as far as im aware all of these players should be fit for the start of the season.
    Then add the possibility of M'villa. Then if Ramsey stays (which i have no doubt he will - anyone who thinks he is going has lost the plot).

    I have no idea how you can say we are looking thin in midfield for next season... even before Frimpong returns from injury we are looking at 8-9 players for the middle of the park plus youth.

    Wenger relyed on Ramsey to plug the hole left by Wilshere/Fabregas/Nasri - it was a massive task and to top it off he was on the return from a terrible injury. Despite some mistakes and various dips in form he actually did a pretty decent job all things considered. He is one of the players i think Wenger would like to see make it and he will be given an extra year atleast to try and re-discover form - however he will be used more sparingly (assuming no major injuries to other players).

    He is 21 and Wales Captain - let's not be too hasty to see him out the door. Like someone else said above - Rosicky took time to find form after an injury and Ramsey will also.
     
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  2. Not PC enough

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    Never mind sell him , you can have him .

    Free , non grata , in fact if he needs a train ticket i will also pay for that.

    Take him .

    please for the love of all that is holy.





    did i mention you can have him ?

    we will just keep a cardboard cutout of him in case we are short of a player.

    Stick it by the corner flag or something.
    Sorted.

    Lets face it , its just as effective.
     
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  3. suker_suker

    suker_suker Well-Known Member

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    All the more reason to loan him out for a season.
     
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  4. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    You are wrong. Wilshere will be out for a large chunk of the start of the season, and Frimpong for all of it. You must be a comedian as you added Diaby to the list. Also you forgot Sagna was injured with a bad injury, he too wil be out. Coqs may cover him. Oh and M'Villa is not an Arsenal player.

    So the start of the season we will have Rosicky, Arteta, Song and Coqs (providing Jenkinson fills in for Sagna). This is the reality my friend, unless of course our injury record improves amazingly overnight, we shouldn't be relying on those players. Our injury track record should tell you that players take a long while to recover....
     
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  5. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    From what i have read Wilshere and Diaby will be both be available from the start of the season. Not sure whats so funny about Diaby. He is a quality player who has struggled with injuries. I don't see why we should write him off before the season starts.

    So even assuming we don't sign M'villa or any other Midfielder we still have:

    Wilshere, Arteta, Song, Rosicky, Diaby, Ramsey, Coq - with Oxocube also able to play centrally.

    Also i'm sure i was reading that Sagna will be returning for the new season (could be wrong - does anyone have any news?), plus with Jenkinson and Koscielny as decent options on the right i don't see that causing a problem for our midfield. I'm sure we will not end up in a position where we are worrying that Coq can't play RB and Midfield... We would have to be very unlucky with injuries...

    I'm not saying we cannot improve in midfield. Like i have said M'villa is a possibility and who knows who else we are keeping tabs on. But we are hardly thin on options in midfield. Looks to me we will be fine starting the season provided no fresh injuries are picked up pre-season.

    I'm not against Ramsey being given a loan to find form if it is to a good club and we have a re-call option should we need to bring him into the team. Personally i think keep him though - he will get game time with less pressure this season which will help him develop.
     
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  6. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    How many times have Arsenal said that a player is coming back after a long layoff, to not come back after a long while after? Unless Wilshere, Diaby, Sagna, Rosicky (injured in the last Czech game) and Coquelin (he was injured too last season), play a full/part of our pre-season, then i will rule them out for at least 1-3 months at the start of the season. Our players seem to come back a lot longer than some players of other teams. As for Diaby, i am not laughing at him, just at his abysmal injury record. He's had 4 Premier league appearences for us this season, and you think he will feature much next season? I think he came on for a few minutes one game and walked back off injured, not to be seen again. You know how many games he's featured for us since we bought him in 2005? 111 Premier league appearences!!!! Even sick note Rosicky has had more appearences of 118, and we bought him in 2006!
     
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  7. Arsenal87

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    I'd have a fit Diaby over Ramsey any day of the week, the only sad thing is Diaby is never fit these days, but if we get M'villa, then i'd prefer him without a doubt in the world, over Ramsey the new poor man's Denilson.
     
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  8. Drudeboy

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    problem with diaby is his range of passing, and also vision. he often misses an attempted through ball and often just doesn't see the run. that being said, he offers something different with his dribbling and directness. good as an impact player due to this and his height as well.
     
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  9. The Bonstar Wandit

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    I'd rather a few million + Ramsey on loan for a season in return for Dempsey.
     
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  10. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    lazarous don't you think it's a little silly to be so sure of yourself? Your basing the fitness of players this season on what you deem to be a reasonable time frame to return from injury. Are you a sports physio or medic?

    I know that we often have players return later than they are supposed to - that does not however mean that every single injury will take 1-3 months more to heal than expected...

    Also you base your opinion of Diaby on the fact he has made only 111 appearances in 6 years due to inury. Well funnily enough a certain dutchman had a terrible injury record but look where he is now. I don't see why just like most players he won't get past his injuries and show us what he is really capable of.

    And as far as i have read Wilshere and Diaby will take part in the pre-season. I really don't get why your deciding both these players are unfit for the season. Of course there is a chance of a reoccurance of the injuries, but all the news so far is that they are both training and will both be ready for the new season. Unless you have some up to date info i have not seen or read?

    And stop going on about Sagna - he is only expected to miss pre-season tours etc, possibly the first lot of games of the season. His is a leg break and unlikely to have random set-backs. He came back from his last leg break last season well and on time. We have Jenkinson, Koscielny, Coq who can all play there well.

    I was reading an Arsenal article yesterday which covered the pre-season and what we are likely to see. It had a lot of positive news abotu our youngsters and we may get to see some glimpses of the future but it was also very positive about the squad being ready for the new season. We don't have any obvious injuries so far which will cause our season a proper problem. So fingers crossed we start with a fresh and ready squad.
     
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  11. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    As i said, i will wait to see who plays in pre-season, than be overly optomistic about who is coming back. What is a fact is, Wilshere has been out a whole season, after being scheduled to come back in April, then got injured again and went onto have more surgery. He then went back to rehabilitation. Unless he kicks a ball in pre-season, he will miss at least 2/3 months in the beginning. Is this reasonable enough assumption for you? When has Arsenal ever rushed a player back. They take at least 6 weeks after coming back to training. As for Sagna, he has broken his leg a second time in 7 months. You think that he's come back before Wilshere? Diaby? Is he injured or not, god knows anymore. They've even stopped reporting on the poor guy, as they don't even know anymore. You seem to be the only Arsenal fan factoring him in our next season.

    Yes i am cynical about Arsenal's injuries and for good reason. Unless i see Wilshere, Sagna and Diaby, playing in a full pre-season for us, they won't feature at the first game of next season. I hope they do come back, but past history tells me, no.
     
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  12. Kyle?

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    If we're sending him out on loan, then surely Wenger has an attacking midfielder lined up to replace him? With Ramsey at Fulahm, we'd only actually have Rosicky as a real CAM, so we'd be a bit short in that position.
     
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  13. Gunner McGunner

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    Sell Ramsey and bring back Fabregas
     
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  14. Arsenal Said Knock You Out!

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    I'd love for Fab to return, can't see it happening unless we win something next season.
     
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  15. theHotHead

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    Wilshere will come back and be ready the first game he plays, I can't see him needing any time to find form, if he is fit to play which he should be if he does a pre season he will not look like he missed a day. He is not a form/confidence player, he does it all so naturally.
     
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  16. Cb

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    i dont see fab returning under any circumstances tbh.
     
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  17. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    I see Fabregas returning in the future. When we sold him there was the clause that we get 50% of the sell on fee and also first choice on buying him back. So if he leaves Barca in the future it will be to come back to Arsenal. Once he has had time with Barca he may find a time when he feels he has achieved what he wanted with them and that he has unfinished business with Arsenal.

    I don't think it'll happen for a while - but i can see Fabregas playing some part at Arsenal in the future.
     
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  18. EmirAleks

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    I would swap Ramsey plus Diaby for Montolivo - what a player, intelligent, technical, has a good shot, speed, vision and would fit Arsenal style. We could have him for free in May.
     
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  19. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    Not sure if Fabregas will ever come back to playing for Arsenal. He seems to be the natural successor to Xavi. However, if his form dips and other players take over, he might be tempted to jump ship. But a major downer would have to occur for him to leave Barca. After all, Barca was the place he wanted to go back to, his spiritual home that is....
     
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