Anita gives Toon the green light

http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/n...s-open-to-a-move-to-newcastle-61634-31228315/

hope we step up our drive in the next few weeks as it would be great to start preseason with:

- De Jong
- Anita
- Debuchy

In the bag..... and more importantly no one of significant value out of the door....

 

We can only hope.

 

I would love it if we got him! Love it! <keegansmiley>

In a 4-3-3 we could really use 3 different types of CM's. A creative mid (Cabaye), A rock solid defensive CM (Tiote), and a one that can run with the ball and be part of a counter attack.

De Jong/Marv-----Cisse--------HBA

---------------Cabaye----------

------Anita------------Tiote------

Santon----Colo--------Saylor----Debuchy

----------------Krul----------------

Anita will be in a more defensive spot but he'll be like Jonas and go forward a bit more than Tiote.

He can also cover fullback areas.

I could see Anita being part of a counter attack, cutting in from that LCM side, and shooting and maybe scoring a few -

[video=youtube;zJzL0HV8CDc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJzL0HV8CDc[/video]

Skip to 0:17 to see what I mean. He's more of a holding/defensive mid but he can go forward with the ball and attack. He's a lot like Ramires

Fap fap fap fap

 

We will sign none of them and then lose our forst 2 games and reality will sink in.

 

What you mean like we did last season

 

(quadruple face palm)

 

This board cracks me up.

 

So you'd advocate dropping the hardest working player in our team and the person responsible for covering up our weakness at left back in Gutierrez? Words fail me.

 

I've got some paper here for them cracks if you want?

 

Who said Jonas would be dropped? That line up is just a possible one.

Due to the massive amount of games we could potentially be playing, just because you aint part of the strongest possible 11, doesn't mean you've really been dropped and it doesn't make you cover.

We will rarely be playing a full strength team, we will need to rotate our side constantly, and make sure players don't get fatigued, and also to greet different games with the appropriate tactics.

Most likely I'm wasting my time throwing logic at you, but whatever, at least others can appreciate what I'm trying to say.

 

I'm all for having a logical debate. I just don't think you are capable of it. I have noticed a few times when people have disagreed with you, you seem quick to try and take the intellectual high ground. I am willing to guarantee you that fitness permitting, Gutierrez will be in the top 3 or 4 appearances next season. His energy carried us at times last season.

 

Jonas is always underrated, by our own fans and the oppo. One of the best and most talented players we have in the squad. Natural ability wise and versatility means he is a fantastic player to have on your books.

 

Always been a big fan of Jonas, he always gives 100% and never stops.

 

Got to admit didn't exactly like him or Coloccini much when we got relegated but their attitude and work rate ever since has proved me totally wrong.

 

Indeed. His work rate in the first half of the season when we played Ryan Taylor at left back was nothing short of exceptional.

 

His work rate will always be mentioned as its very obvious how hard the lad works. What's maybe not quantified in the same way is his quality. His ball retention is superb. Yes he is a diver and while I wouldn't condone it, you'd have to admit he is very good at it and wins us a lot of free kicks in dangerous areas. As a manager he must be a dream. His game is so intelligent. Early in the season he adapted it so that Raylor would get extra cover, it was a selfless act but also following his managers instructions to the letter. Then when we changed to a 433 type formation he again excelled in the centre. But when you look back they cheated a little because they had Jonas. He was actually playing a central role, but often covering the left side also when Demba struggled to get back in or over.

The bloke is hilalrious too!

 

I've actually seen you behaving like the ****s on the gen chat board quite a lot of the time, which is why I never take you too seriously, apologies If I have you mixed up with someone else, but I recognise the name and the red rep bar pretty much confirms it for me.

I never once said Jonas should be dropped, you jumped the gun and put words in my mouth. I simply put out a possible line up. However, In my opinion, a good 4-3-3 works well with 3 CM's, one that can create well, one that can be solid at the back, and one that has pace, skill and can run with the ball and take us forward on an attack, and release the ball. Anita looks like a Ramires type player, and a combination of Tiote, Anita and Cabaye in CM would be fantastic if Anita lives up to expectations.

Once again, I aint saying Jonas isn't as good as Anita, or that Jonas should be dropped, but it could all depend on what we need in a game. If we want to exploit weaknesses in an opponents defence or attack a less solid team, go for a more attacking approach, with more pace, therefore we play Anita. If we need to be solid, hard working and tight at the back to grind a result from a stronger team, play Jonas for his work rate and defensive capabilities.

Jonas works very hard, but if someone can produce match winning quality more often in that position, they'd be my choice over him. We need to pick a team that wins games, not play the players that we have become attached to, simply because we like them.

 

Would love you to find a post of mine on the general chat board. You won't find one because I've never been on there in my life. I have no idea what red rep is and nor do I care.d

So, in summary, what you are saying is you never said you'd drop Jonas, despite the fact you appear to have omitted him from your starting XI but you would advocate dropping him for a player with more pace (Gutierrez is probably our fastest player, particularly over the course of 90 mins) in order to adopt a more attacking approach so have taken apparently the only logical action and replaced him in the team with another defensive midfielder. Makes sense to me. Shall we bring David Batty back too?

 

To be honest, I'm a fan of Gutierrez, but love him or loathe him he doesn't create enough...I know not every player can, and I know he's been shackled by weaker full backs, but for him to be a top, top player he needs to find that final ball! His work rate and desire will keep him in our starting line up throughout the year, but it wouldn't surprise me if the club look to improve our statistics...The only reason we finished where we did this year was down to unbelievable finishing stats from Ba and Cisse (all the clubs around us created more, scored more, conceded fewer and held more possession) we can't always rely on our strikers and its players like Gutierrez who, whilst doing a great job with regards to work ethic, need to improve!

 

You really need to learn to read. For the 3rd and last time, what I put in my comment was one possible starting 11, not the strongest 11, not the starting 11 for every game, not my favourite starting 11.... but a POSSIBLE... I repeat POSSIBLE starting 11.

I never said Jonas should be dropped, his place is his own until someone can prove he can do a better job, what I'm saying is that Anita could be used in that position and the formation I put in my original comment was just an idea.

And in response to your comment about Jonas' pace, no he's definitely not the fastest, Obertan and Santon are definitely our quickest players, Ferguson, Ben Arfa and Ba are probably around the same for pace over long distance. Jonas isn't even that quick. He's nippy, good agility, reactions, but for all out pace, he aint what I'd describe as particularly fast.

Anita is miles quicker than him. I can't say whether or not Anita is better than Jonas, and I'm not in a position to say that Anita will be awesome at this level, because despite the fact that I've seen him play and he's impressed me, he still has to prove himself. However, pace is obvious, and Anita is very quick and nippy, much faster than Jonas.

In summary - All I'm saying that is if we sign a player that proves himself more effective in Jonas' position for a particular type of game, he should play in that game over Jonas. And that formation I put out was a possible formation that could be played at a certain time, I never said it's what I would consider our strongest formation or a one I'd pick for all big games ect.

You need to read what I'm saying and stop making assumptions.

Jonas is an all round solid CM, and I think it's a bit harsh some of the comments about how he should score more and create more. Even though I agree to an extent, he has been playing in a defensive role, even when he was on the LW at the start of the season, he was still required to stay back a hell of a lot to protect Raylor, and he covers whoever is playing at LB as we don't seem to have anyone playing there that has proven he doesn't need protection.

Jonas has still managed a decent number of assists, and 4 goals. And this from a highly defensive role, I think he deserves a bit more credit. But you're right, he aint a great crosser, he's a good passer but not great, he's got good dribbling ability, but not to the level that's going to frighten any team with a good defense.