Newcastle recieve £18M bid for HBA!!!

OH MY GOD, are you joking???

Ben Arfa is an AMAZING PLAYER, the best dribbler in the entire premier league, let him settle in more and play more, hes worth more than 18 mil.

 

Simple fact is that Benny is a flair player. Flair players always go for far more than they're worth. Is Modric worth £30 mil? Is Hazard worth £35 mil? Is Robinho worth £36 mil Hell no, but that's the way the market is. We could easily ask for far more for Ben Arfa

 

It's not moot. Since he has come back, how many games has he totally dominated? None. Every time he has impressed it has been due to one or two isolated moments of brilliance rather than anything sustained over a whole match. I appreciate he has come back from an awful injury but by the last couple of months of the season he was back to full fitness and still there was no evidence of him ever being close to the best player on the pitch over the course of 90 minutes.

Don't get me wrong, I like and rate HBA but I'm not convinced he is as good as a lot of people think he is. There is no way you can tell me his performances for us thus far justify a £20m price tag. It is easy to be swayed by 2 or 3 world class goals a season and to automatically think he is capable of doing it week in, week out. A team like Chelsea can afford to pay £20m to have him sat on the bench and bring him on for the last 15-20 minutes but we can't. He needs to contribute on a consistent level and that is why I think if a bid of around £20m came in, it would be difficult for Ashley to turn it down.

 

Not joking at all. On what evidence is he worth more than £18m? I have to hear this...

Ben Arfa is a good player. He is not amazing. He has all the talent in the world but has never once in his career achieved any sustained level of consistency. Consistency is what makes an "amazing" player. I could go on all day naming players who are un-playable on their day but fell short in their career because they lacked consistency. I'm not necessarily saying HBA will be one of these but up to this point in his career he is. Lest we not forget, Florent Malouda is ahead of him in the French team. I am 100% certain is a bid came in for around £20m for HBA it would be accepted.

 

In my opinion, yes. He is brilliant and unlike HBA so far, has the ability to run games.

 

modric has contributed less goals and assists in the league this season in almost double the appearances. by your reasoning he should be worthless.

 

Modric's job is to get on the ball and pass though...Ben Arfa plays out wide and his job is to add the flair, to create those moments of brilliance - do you criticise a striker if he does **** all for 89 minutes but pops up with a goal every game? No, you sign him up to a massive contract or sell him for top dollar!

Ben Arfa has shown he has the ability to do it all offensively, he can dribble (Blackburn CC) he can shoot (Everton 10/11) he can pass (Liverpool cross to Cisse) and he can do it all on the biggest stage...

Besides, a players price tag isn't decided by the buying club unless the sellers are desperate. If Ben Arfa produces those moments of brilliance in a cup, or in important matches that decide European qualification, then he's worth a hell of a lot more than you're suggesting!

 

boom!

 

He plays in a different position so it is an unfair comparison. That said, the stats I looked at showed Cabaye has been more effective than Modric this season which I was very pleasantly surprised about. Now he HAS been a top, top signing.

 

Totally agree with this but there is no way he has proved he can do this often enough to be considered worth more than £20m.

 

True, but he's hardly a chance signing either...Lukaku signed for Chelsea for £18m, Wickham signed for £12 - both of them are physically massive and have the potential to be worth far more than what was paid, but no-one knows for sure how good they could be - they haven't produced their world class moments yet, that's why they weren't sold for more...

We know how good Ben Arfa can be - he has produced world class performances against the best teams, he was amazing against City and Chelsea, he ran the show against Sunderland in a venomous atmosphere. He has done it on a world stage and is looking to have a legitimate International future - he might not start games but the fans would go mental if he wasn't on the bench and there's no shame in being behind Ribery or Nasri in the pecking order!

At the end of the day, we're not in a position where we have to sell and if any club wants him they'll have to pay more than he's probably worth in footballing terms!

 

So change the subject to make your point seem correct?

You have changed the topic from you wish you had a consistent player who gives around 7 goals a season and a few assists (which was thoroughly rebuked by the fact Ben Arfa played half a season and scored around 3, around half of what you want, and got assists), to it being all about dominating matches which I never said he had to (in fact I never mentioned the price tag).

Your point is utterly moot on that score.

About his price-tag which you now wish to discuss, I'll agree that £18 million -£30 million is quite high, but it's in line with our recent transfer policy, his contract length and inflation of the market. So it's not ridiculous at all.

 

Didn't read further than this comment, Spidey said exactly what i was thinking

 

At the end of the day assists and goals tallies are misleading, but that's good to us, in Ben Arfa's case.

His record shows he's scored 5 in 30 apps in the PL, which will look **** to other fans, but we know it's because a lot of those apps where when he was still recovering from injury.

And he's got like 8 assists in 30 apps, which again, is affected by his injury, and the fact that he only started a portion of those games.

Ben Arfa is a top class player, and he's not as highly regarded as we know he deserves to be.

We need to keep our pace going and stay in the top 6 if we hope to keep our players!