Now this does worry me...

They can ****ing bore off tbh - first we were going to do **** after losing our 'best' players, then we were going to fall away by Christmas because we hadn't played anyone, then we were going to struggle during the ACoN because our best players are African, then we were going to fall away in March because we have no squad depth, now we're going to be **** next season because we're going to sell all our decent players.

I'm not under any illusions and neither are a lot of our fanbase, but we'll only sell a couple of them I reckon, and only for outrageous money apart from maybe Ba.

 

He is one of a few managers who will openly admit that IF offer come in you can't always stop the players head being turned. It doesn't make us a selling club, it just means we don't have the same draw for players like Man U, Citeh, Barca, Real Mardrid.

Sunlan sold Bent for top whack, we sold Carroll for stupid money, Arsenal sold Nasri and could lose RVP. It's football.
But the interesting comment was MA may sell players but he is a hard seller and will get the top price for them, he won't let them go for £7 million.

If you listened to him on Total Sport he was very honest because people put these questions to him more than most other managers get asked this. It sounds like Guthrie is on his way out but wants to keep Simpson and the fact he has said they have 3 trialist in this week shows that they are already looking to bulk the squad up.

They had someone from the fans forum on Total Sport the night before and he made the point that there are 3 sides to a transfer, The buying club being prepared to pay top money, the selling club accepting the bid and the player wanting to go. If it is a bigger club offering stupid money and bigger wages it will turn a players head and the selling club are in a weaker position.

We can only wait and see, I expect the odd player to go but hopefully Graham Carr will have plenty lined up to fill the gap left.

 

The point I was trying to make is why talk openly( possibly pushing ) players who have only been with us a short while towards the real big boys. we were not in Europe when they signed so surely after the season we have just had culminating in European football why would they want to be sold. I genuinely thought this season was the start of something special and to be built on not selling those players who got us there.
I can understand fringe players wanting away but not our stars, not for next season anyway. Wouldn't you want to enjoy the European games in front of possibly 50,000 knowing you were partly responsible for getting them there.

 

It's simple, we're in a vulnerable position. We're not willing to pay 6 figure wages and massive transfer fees, other top clubs are.

If a bigger club offers one of our players 100k a week+ and a chance to push for a title or go to a club with more CL experience ect, they'll most likely go unless we can show that we mean business by having a good European run and qualifying for Europe/CL against next season.

There's no way our players will stay if we get knocked out in the early stages or can't push for the CL next season.

But the promising thing is, if we lose some of our top players, we can have faith in our scouting system, manager and coaches to find a suitable replacement.

At the end of the day we don't have the financial backing to compete at the very top level, simple as.

But I think we're an attractive club to a lot of players, and I think we can attract the players we need to consistently push for CL and be in the top 6, but I don't think we're gonna be able to keep all our top players.

 

"Why openly talk about it" because ever since we sold Carroll we have suddenly been labeled as a selling club which in reality we aren't, but people still insist on stirring up the **** that we will be selling our top players and the question keeps getting thrown at Pardew. So do you answer it honestly and cut out all the confusion that there was when Carroll was sold or just come clean an say if people are prepared to pay over the odds on players then we'd be stupid not to.
This applies to EVERY club not just us, we just admit we'll screw people over.

It was pretty much unheard of that a player was given a 5-6 year contract, when we did it was "to bump the selling price up" but people haven't thought that it can work the other way and put people off coming in for them because only the real top clubs would be able to afford the transfer fee plus wages.

I think we'll lose one big name if the right price comes in and that will be used to fund 3 or 4 new players.

 

If players would rather play for a bigger salary, then let them go.

We've got a tight group, and we got rid of the likes of Barton and Enrique because they were disrupting things in the dressing room.

We need players that have their mind in the game and like it here, not ones that are playing for or thinking about their future salaries at other clubs.

I will still respect any one of our players for leaving for the likes of Real Madrid or Man City. At the end of the day they'll get offered double or more than the wages they've got, definite CL football, and title contenders.

Sorry but if we think that this "I love the toon" thing means **** when up against a 120k a week contract at real madrid then we're deluded. It's a sad fact, but we all need to swallow it.

I know there's plenty of people on this forum that would want to play simply because they love Newcastle United and the fans love is all they'd want, but we're not the players.

The only player I'd say loves it so much here that he'd not leave, is Shola, because he's local and because he's ****, but he's OUR **** player, and he'd never fit into another club.

 

You say we are in a vulnerable position as is every other club that falls out of the TOP club bracket, what we've done is narrowed down the buying market so fewer clubs can afford the players because they have long term contracts which adds around £5 million onto the asking price for every year left so for example the like of Tiote who has what 5 years left would be looking around the £20 -£25 million mark.

As Pardew said MA is a hard seller and won't let a player go for £7 million

 

It's ironic, but right now, Mike Ashley could be the most vital person for our future. We can't stop the players wanting to go to a better club, but if Mike Ashley doesn't get the cash he wants, then no one is going anywhere.

This is a comforting though.

We <3 Mike Ashley? :O

 

End of the day MA is a business man buy in low sell high and your right he won't sell if the price is right.

Heard from various people about the Carroll that liverpool kept coming back with offers (£12m, £15m, £18m, £30m) every time they were told £35m and eventually coughed it up. When you look at that deal it was insane considering he only had something like 6 months PL experience.
If we sell it will be on our terms, but a lot of the players seem to be very happy and a real squad togetherness plus European football on offer. Loved the Collo story last night from Pards about organising a players and partners only night out and they all went out.

 

Pardew said there was a structure at the club and even if we got into the CL that structure would remain.
For me that means if the big clubs come in with huge bids players will be sold but quality brought in then sold on, its the way it is now.

 

And absolutely no different to Arsenal. If we can break into the Champions League it means we step up a level and will more likely convince players to stay. Exactly the same thing at Spurs, we are no different to any number of clubs.

 

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Honestly I'm sick and tired of hearing the same **** people come out with about loyalty and all that ****e. It's about money and we will sell all our players if the right price comes in. I expect Ben Arfa, Tiote, Krul, Ba, Cisse and Cabaye to be sold within a year or two maximum. Simpla as that! we will feed the other clubs and are just a cattle market basically.

 

This.

I think it was LTF that said the other evening something along the lines of if a player doesn’t want to play for the club then they need to move on, and I agree. Doesn’t matter what the reason – money, CL football, personal reasons, whatever. I don’t want anyone in a black and white shirt that doesn’t believe in where the team is going and what the Club stands for.

I do think one or two of our top players will go in the summer but I have far more confidence now that if this happens we will have excellent replacements for them.

Pardew got burned with the whole Andy Carroll thing and he won't want a repeat of that. Better to say players might be sold and then everyone stays put than to say no one will be sold and for us to only be left with Shola come the first day of the season

I still think MA has some own goals left in him (I mean, who can hold that kind of talent down?!) but I also believe that whatever happens over the summer, we will still have a team that is competing at the level we have this season.

 

All players leave fpr more money and for the will to win things.

 

Very true, but the clubs valuation of that player needs to be met. Can't see MA letting them go on the cheap and at present the costs will be high due to the long contracts players are on (see previous comments). I never said anything about players being loyal because they are money drive just like the rest of. What I did say is there is a real togetherness and we can offer European football which may sway them to want to stay.

 

Transfer are part of football. People just need to stop being so touchy when they happen. We're on the right path. The oldest cliche of "Rome not being built in a day" applies.