Arsenal fans have come across as a somewhat delusional bunch over the past week or so and you are just adding to it. I agree its not just about goals and Holt has much more to his game than that, but goals do help in winning matches. Its not great picking players who can't hit a barn door
Thats true. Sturridge is awful so I wouldnt take him. i would probably take wellbeck. i dont rate him but at least he can hold himself in that company and COULD become international clas. Holt is just a journeyman so whats the point?
Holt's game isn't just about goals though. He makes chances for his strike partner, he pulls defenders out of position and creates space for other players, he chases down every ball which means defenders don't have time to think about clearances, they just have to get rid of it. He can be used as a lone striker, a target man for someone to play off or he can be the player running off the target man.
Ok, so your taking Welbeck. And I'm presuming your other three are therefore Carroll/Defoe/Crouch etc? So you're excuse to omit Holt is he isn't good enough for England. Well, he's better than all those players!
Only when you play the long ball. He offers league 1 tactics and league 1 ability. He has made the most of what he has. But vs spain and germany and holland you cant afford to be carrying players of holt's ilk. He wouldnt hold onto possesion and the germans would just batter england time and time again.
I wouldn't take defoe. The guy is absolutely shocking and worse than holt. I guess I would take carroll. I mean the lad is a complete donkey and he turns like the QE2 but he is the best of a horrid bunch. So I would take Wellbeck, Rooney, Carroll and Bent if he is back. Again that is woeful. England are woeful, just not bad enough to bring in Holt in my view.
Why not? We've carried Lampard, Gerrard and the rest when they've been out of their depth. At the very least Holt offers a physical battle which they may not be used to and he's proven an eye for goal, an ability to hold it up and bring others into play and an excellent work-rate. Norwich don't play long ball and don't play League One tactics, whatever that means as I doubt you've seen a League One game in your life. You're a football snob.
Ironically, that is one of things he does best! If you're going to try and criticise him, at least do it on actual grounds like his lack of pace etc! Anyway, I cba to argue about Holt with you I don't expect him to go to Euros but I think he is good enough. As I said earlier, it is if Ruddy is omitted that will grate with me more.
Usual tripe in this article by so called experts Some of the comments are more balanced We've all debated holt enough times, but the season ruddy has had, he has got to go above green!!
Lack of pace and lack of technical ability. That is why he cant play at this level. Also he is old. So at least carroll and people might improve and grow into international players (carroll wont though because he is awful). Edit: and the same can be said for ruddy. He just doesnt have the reflexes you expect from a top keeper.
Lack of technical ability... Everton goal? Wolves goal? I haven't seen many other strikers produce that quality this season! Have you even watched the guy play? Your arguments against him are ending of as evidence for the case!
So you think Grant Holt is good enough to compete with players like Ozil, Sneijder, RVP, Xavi, Iniesta, Benzema? Please, there is such a gulf between them I wouldnt even say they are playing the same game! Holt is championship or lower level prem. International level is meant to be the pinnacle. Please stop being so blinkered!
Haha "lack of reflexes" yeah he's terrible, but still better than Arsenals keeper. Who would you take?
He's competed with any player he has played against in the PL, so yes I honestly do believe he could (Although it's the defender's job to worry about those guys) and as I have said about 10 times now, he is certainly less likely to embarrass himself than Andy Carroll is against these guys.
Well your point is semi valid because you could make a case that Holt is currently better than the alternatives. But even if that is true it is a sad case for english football because Holt isnt very good. Germany and Holland will laugh if we show up with people like carroll or holt.
I think we're wasting our time with this Gooner lads, he obviously has about the same level of knowledge of players outside the top six as the rest of the MotD panel. Clueless, absolutely clueless. To say Holt is 'just about the goals' shows a lack of footballing knowledge that is far too common on this forum. And if you think he's just a big lump of muscle who batters his way through games as you no doubt do then you are deluded as well. His all round game is superb, he can score goals with both feet and head, his reading of the game is sublime, as are the runs he makes dragging defenders all over the place. He's got a good touch, holds the ball up as well as anyone, is a lot quicker than given credit for and has an engine like a tank - and is an absolute nightmare to defend against, ask your boys, John Terry, Agger etc etc. He even gave Kompany more than a few problems against Man C and hasn't looked out of place all season. Bags of assists as well, what more do you want? But if we are talking about the goals - which I guess is what strikers are ultimately judged upon - how many other strikers (let alone English ones) have scored against Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle and Everton (home and away) this season? And have you seen the goals he's scored against these so called international defenders? Not one of them scrappy and several of them have been pure quality. Get your head out of your arse and realise there are better players around than those sitting on the bench for the so called elite, fans like you do my head in
I actually agree with you. I think it is a little sad that I think a guy the wrong side of thirty is England's possibly second best striker (You might agree with second best) and that he would probably do better and certainly show more passion than any of the overhyped young players like Carroll/Welbeck/Sturridge.
