Damn bank holiday bus schedules... Continuity wins titles. Hey I have an idea, let's change the Manager who has given us our three highest sequential finishes for decades.
Do you lot not read comments before you make one No1 is disputing he has done a good job but he showed us his 'loyalty' when he was linked to the England job and it is only the fact he didn't get it that he wants to stick around.
If we look at Martinez, so far he's laid the foundations of a side that got promoted from the Championship (Swansea), to be fair quite a few managers have done that. With Wigan, he's got them together at the right end of the season to play well to escape, this year playing noticeably better football which deserves praise....but jump to a top5 club based on that??? can we at least see if Martinez can A, keep his side together, and B, can get a whole season out of them....it would be his first afterall! It wasn't so long ago they were in a dire run, being written off, with him being questioned. So thats no trophies, no european experience and no experience with big players, not the best cv so far is it! If we're going to change manager I would hope for one with league/european campaign experience, i think its the least this club should expect now. Chelsea tried a punt and as shown you don't get time to piss about at the top, you have to have results aswell. The other trend is top teams don't tend to have young managers, there is an odd exception as ever, (before any pedants spring into action) but very rare. Should we be putting our faith in hoping for an odd exception?, with this group of players? at this point in time?, its not the way to go imo.
Nonsense, there are plenty of people arguing that he has underachieved this season. To take that approach to Harry having his head turned is ridiculous, you can not blame him for having aspirations, and if it were a player i'm sure you would forgive them. The fact that managing Tottenham may not be his first choice, ideal job, is not a reason to sack him, and if you think it is you have a very inflated view of Tottenham's position in the grand scheme of football.
The England job is the number1 job for every English Manager. End of. If Harry WASN'T tempted I would have been shocked. If you are naive enough to think that anybody who WORKS for the club, (you know like a JOB) loves it as much as us idiots that pay our money and stick with it, through thick and thin (mostly thin) there is no hope for you. As much as you think you understand the game, you don't. Badge kissing, pledging undying love for the club and all the other cobblers that professionals do is simply done to make us cheer louder and love them a little bit more. If their agent finds them something better and the club agrees they are offski. The only "loyalty" in football is from players who haven't got the guts or the skill to move any higher, players who play for the likes of Barcelona and fans. It has been like that for at least 20 years, more like 30. You know why? Because it is just a job. Granted a job we would all love, but a job nonetheless, as is the Manager's position. Get with the programme. You understand football even less than the "tactically inept" tribe.
I like this post. It reminds me of the numerous times I was in a local pub, with my dad. Under Martin Jol, this is typical of what we did - we'd get a goal, then sit back for x-minutes. Almost inevitably, we'd concede (my dad, an Evertonian, could almost call it at will). It was so frustrating. As much as I love BMJ, I've got to say, Harry has the upper hand. Although I have complained here once before about one of our games recently, I must say that Harry is the most solid thing we've had for many years! And, although a considerable number of our recent results have been, er, ****, it must be said that Harry has given us that little extra something that we lacked under BMJ. Whether it be spending power or what have you, I don't know. That being said, I cannot say that we cannot be taken to 'the next level' by a 'better' manager: I think we can. But, right now, I think Harry has done a superb job. Yes, we're disappointed that third hasn't been achieved already - of course we are, given previous circumstances this season! But, and as I have seen on here recently, in fact, to say that Harry does not 'rotate' frequently enough is, IMHO, missing the point. As is our so-called 'super stars' supposedly looking to move away if we fail in our bid to make the CL. Firstly, and as Harry has previously said, Rooney plays frequently, as does x, y, and z, so what is wrong with our top players? Secondly (and this has been said on here before, and I totally agree), if our top players want CL football but fail in achieving it, who is to blame? Redknapp? Not in my opinion. The ones to blame are the ones who wear the shirt, regardless of Harry's tactics. Modric, for example, is not incapable of scoring from 25 yards, so why does he struggle from 18? Lennon's goal tally? Etc. I know this covers nothing new, but I think Harry has done a very good job, up to this point. I don't see too many managers taking us too much higher than Harry has done (and, yes, I have been very peed off at some of his tactical nonsense). Anyway, and in short, I think the guy deserves a little more time.
Players performances are Harry's fault to a certain extent, he is after all meant to be helping them improve every day in training. But I do agree that none of our players have any right to expect champions league football if they cannot achieve it themselves
Hey Wandering Yid, Harry does have a certain amount of input towards a player's training. Agreed. But if the players themselves can't produce what is required of them on a consitent basis - as the top, top clubs' players do - then, IMO, we won't achieve third, let alone anything better.
Sorry, but I DO blame him. He actively, and publicly courted the job. I, for one, do not believe that our sudden lack of form was just a coincidence that happened to come along at the same time as the media frenzy was at it's height. That, allied to his increasingly bizarre team selections - trying to impress the F.A - were the reasons we are now struggling to hang on to a position that was comfortably ours. I don't think I have an "inflated view" of our position. We have one of the best sides in the Premiership. Yes, our squad lacks depth, but our first choice eleven is as good as anybody's apart from City. What had Harry boy ever achieved before he came to Spurs? Nothing much is the answer. Yes, he took Portsmouth to the F.A. cup, but spent a fortune they obviously could never afford, doing it. I feel that Harry has done a good job for us. But, if we want to move up to the next level, I don't believe we will get there with him. Yes, I know the old saying " if you want loyalty, buy a dog" but, I agree with King, his blatant show of willingness to jump ship as soon as a "better" job came along, still rankles with me.
Its not a great feeling that, I agree , but its not any old job though is it!? We've seen many England managers over the years leave their clubs without too much fuss....and end up on the scrapheap! Seriously though, its the only one that would make Harry sit up, he's of that 66 era where its importance means everything. Not alot we can do there. He was blinded by the 'media' putting his name up, and they are to blame for the whole thing really. In truth, I think there was far more to this job that he wasn't suitable for, and you can't blame the FA for not publicly ruling him out, that would've kicked off a frenzy in itself. It was a no win situation for all as I see it.
Mr Spain, please provide evidence for your continued assertion that he "courted" the job, particularly in context with Chirpy's last post. I think you have put a rather subjective slant on what he actually said. Sure he could of said he didn't want the job, but why should he... maybe he did want it, which is hardly surprising. Why don't you vent more at the FA for keeping us hanging on because apparently they didn't want to harm WBA's season (!)
I hear what you're saying Notso. I suppose, for me, another thing that rankles about Harry is his refusal to accept any blame or criticism. He seems obsessed with his own reputation, which IMO, he royally ****ed with his bizarre team selections and blatant attempts to settle for what he thought he had. I.e. third place. It all blew up spectacularly in his own face, and may have ironically contributed to his not getting the England job. I know Harry's old school, and may still see managing England as an honour. I think it's more to do with, once again, enhancing his own rep. As you say, he would have just been added to the long list of failed England managers.
Do you not watch television? Or read the papers?? He did just about everything short of actually saying to the F.A. "come and get me, I'm all yours" I quote. " no Englishman could turn down that job" etc, etc. yes, I agree that the F.A. were complicit in creating this situation, but Harry boy did nothing to help the club that was paying his wages at a crucial time of the season, and seemed only intent on enhancing his own career.
Jol will get a really good cheer and deservedly so, the guy was brilliant for us but I don't remember anyone chanting for Jol to stay when it was announced he was gonna be getting sacked. There was a "stand up for Martin Jol" chant at the Getafe game when the news broke but that was it. The majority, if not all the fans at the Lane, love Harry, we've chanted "Harry Redknapp, we want you stay!", "Harry Redknapp, England are sh*t" and then we've chanted the likes of "Pardew/ Hodgson/ Steve Kean for England". He's helped our aspirations reach a point where not finishing in the top 4 is seen as a major disappointment, something only a couple of years ago was an aim we'd be dreaming of, why people would want to gid rid of the person that made that possbile, I have no idea. Harry may not have come out and declared his 100% commitment to us when linked with the England job but you can't blame him. For any manager, managing your country is probably the greatest honour/ achievement. It's not as if he was linked to Chelsea or any other club for the matter. His tactis, which some are criticising, have been pretty good overall in my opinion. Sure he's made some weird subs at times (which manager doesn't?) but he's also pulled off some great one's too. He's got us playing arguably the most attractive football in the league, got the best out of players like Bale, Modric, Kaboul and Benny, made some fantastic signings in Rafa, Parker, Friedel and Walker and yet people still want to complain and criticise.
Yes, Harry was instrumental in bringing Parker to the lane. And for getting Kaboul back. Credit to him for that. However many of our other signings, including VDV were directly down to Daniel Levy - not Harry.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...and-Martin-Jol-for-clubs-demise-Football.html Levy has accused Jol of going behind his back and Ramos of causing fall-out between the players. "Martin Jol went for an interview at Newcastle while he was employed by us," Levy said. Also from what I remember, Jol showed interest in the Ajax job when with us so all this talk of attacking arry for being interested in the England job but praising Jol for being some sort of loyal legend is ridiculous.
I think some people on here should take their blinkers off. Why should any manager show loyalty other than that which he is paid for. Which of you wouldn't leave your job if a better paid one was offered you? I bet every one of you would. If a manager signs a contract then he should see out the contract,after that with duty done then all loyalty flies out of the window. These are professional people and will accept the best for them. Harry has done 3 years and if he wants to better himself then he should,as all of you would.
