And Warnock is basing his Clayton view on purely finance. Listen to his interview from Wednesday. You're sounding more and more like a bates apologist, so ****ing what if I made assumptions? They are perfectly reasonable assumptions to make based on the information available - again, it's the main principle of science - we make acceptable assumptions based on what we know. We've supposedly spent £13.5 million on players this season, take out a generous ~£1.5 mill for fees and you're left with £12 million. Assume the youth players are on £2k or lower, and that's a generous assumption, and bates own ideal of a 23 man squad and the fact that he's constantly saying 31 players is too many - 5 of those are youth, so you can bet he'll include the youth in our squad size when it's time for a head count, then the remaining 13 or 14 players can be paid well over £15k a week without even breaking a sweat. If we were spending what we should be spending on players we could top £20k average wage easily and still have room for transfer fees - effectively making it impossible for every team in the Championship to compete with the mighty Leeds United - which is the way it should be. We have no divine right to be in the Premier League, but we sure as hell have the financial muscle to overpower the competition without going into debt.
The rumours are that Warnock was paid handsomely by the board of directors for the signing of Joey Barton. Based on the QPR board's history of meddling in player selection it's quite believable. But it would mean Warnock has less integrity and is more willing to give into bates pathetic, old fashioned and just plain wrong views.
huh, thought Bates was bad for calling fans idiots... Next time people have a go about him calling fans idiots I'll just refer them to you
Anyway, I have absolutely zero faith in Warnock, think he's a ****ing prick with no hope of promotion. Preferred Grayson although he was not good enough either. Warnock is and always has been a massive ****
He calls people idiots out of arrogance. I call them idiots out of frustration. It usually takes condescension from somebody for me to react like that, but being condescending is second nature to the bates apologists.
MarkoLUFC - Blind Optimisim? Last season I was raging with anger, I was one of the few screaming that we had a weaker team for the start of the season than the team that finished the previous one, I predicted 11th and some thought I was mad. I haven't made any predictions yet because we haven't signed anyone, Warnock is clearing the decks, it is WARNOCK who feels Clayton is not worth 9k not Bates this time, my hate for Bates is still there but I am not going to blindly blame him for the Clayton issue. I honestly cannot see the point in getting so worked up until we find out how much Warnock is going to be backed and what players he brings in and how they perform. The signs are good, Warnock can see that O'Dea wasn't good enough, he released Webber and Robinson and a pile of left over dead wood. Let's give it a few weeks to see who comes in before deciding how well or how bad we might do next season, Clayton is a decent player but **** me, he isn't world class that some are suggesting and nor is he ever going to be. He still has 12 months on his contract, Warnock has said if a decent offer isn't forthcoming Clayton will play for his place, if he shows he is good enough to keep it he will get a contract offered or be sold if he doesn't wish to sign it in December. It is gamesmanship by Warnock, he knows Clayton is a drifter, one good game in four is NOT good enough for promotion.
The bottom line is this squad isnt good enough! And the supporters like myself who have travelled home and away all season are not stupid enough to think this squad will get us up. If he thinks the full lot have to go then im 100% with him on it! there have been far 2 many times thoughout this season have we looked average! Clayton hasnt been our best player, neither should we build aside around a player who can only give you 12-15 good games a season! If your gonna ask for parity with the best player at the club (snoddy) in your 1st full season then you can get fudge out of elland road! Simple Clayton is a good footballer, but so is so many out there! There all pro's at the end of the day! For instance - the midfield that we had in league 1 was far fitter, stronger than the one we have now! yes wage demands are key, but you think how much tripe grayson signed on loan, and the quantity he brought in. And yet 9 of the 11 players that finished in league 1 were key to our success in the championship Lets just see where he takes us - Pearce looks a class act and with him on board we may just steady this ship! Ive also heard mills could be his next signing. Mills/Pearce/Lees (rb) would look a decent start
Morning all. Ristac, para 3 of your post above is spot on. We can all argue either way about Clayton. Should we keep him, should we not? But its only early May. By 1 July & the date for which signings in many cases can be made public, we should have a much better idea than where we're likely to be going. Reducing the size of the squad & moving a number of players who are not guaranteed a start or bench warming spot when everyone's fit has to be a step in the right direction. We can argue semantics of who he should have moved on & who he may come to regret moving on, but trimming the squad with the aim of bringing in better players has to be a good start. Let's wait until 1 July before getting too het up over what's going on. We've got the Euros & Olympics to get wound up about yet. Incidently, good win for the Hammers last night. Nice to see Cardiff not going up again. Oh dear, how sad, never mind!!!
No I donât trust Warnock at all. Trust is something that you have to earn, and Warnock has donât **** all in that department.
Norway, surely his record of getting teams promoted is in itself enough to qualify for some amount of trust?
Thats mental! What are you expecting, to be groomed! This guy has a class record and will prove it come end of next season! I think your been a tad harsh on the bloke
Eeeh.........no! He has had the worst start any manager have had at Leeds, he has the biggest defeat Leeds have ever had in a game, he has lost more games in a row at home than Leeds have ever done before. We are letting in just as many goals as we did before he came. The only thing he has managed us to do, is to stop scoring goals. So he has a hell of a lot of work to get me to trust him. And right now, that means he has to sign at least 6-7 quality players.
To be honest, I don't think it madders who the manager is as long as we got Bates and Harvey I charge. And I also don't think, as many on here do, that Warnock will do or say anything at all if he doesn’t get any money from Bates. He has already gone back and toned down what he has earlier come out with.
What your saying is exactly what warnock has been explaining since his arrival! his 2nd day in the job he stated this team wasnt good enough to go up! Grayson kept saying throughout what a good group of players he had!
I feel like everybody has completely missed the point. Last time it was "Grayson's decision to get rid of Howson". When does this circlejerk end? How many times do I have to say "it's not Warnock that's the problem" before it actually gets through to people? Everyone has returned to a quiet optimism and has seemingly forgotten about the past 7 years, or 8 now as it is, just because "Warnock is a good manager who knows what he's doing". I honestly don't think he does, I think he's bitten off more than he can chew and mr tight ass is starting to get to him. Whatever Clayton was asking for, nothing is not negotiable. The offer from the club will have been piss poor, I guarantee they didn't even get to half way.
I'm saying it's pointless hoping for anything other than mediocrity. I'm saying that expecting us to actually get some quality players in that have a chance of promotion is delusional and that it's just not going to happen. Warnock has already said "we can't afford to get the best in", strongly implying that if he's going to make something work it will be through getting average players with grit and determination, but more importantly that gel well together from the start - how likely is that? Not very. More importantly I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing "wait and see". I already waited, I already saw, the last 3 transfer windows where expectations were not even slightly met. "Wait and see" expired a long time ago. I just cannot stand this chirpy optimism and expectation that Warnock is somehow going to get blood out of a stone, the stupidity to forget the crappy attitude we've had to put up with. If they had any plans of backing a manager they'd have got a new manager in December or November, they already knew then that Grayson wasn't up to scratch, but waited until selling Howson and the transfer window closing - after another poor showing, we currently retain a grand total of 1 of our 4 January signings who were trumpetted as "being busy in the window", and he's an injured nobody with no guarantee he's any good - then confirming what we all thought in the line "we wanted a manager who could get more out of the current squad". Say that the day after the transfer window is closed and there's only one answer, they wanted something for nothing again.
