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Post Malaysia Car Rankings

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  1. Bob Bobbinz

    Bob Bobbinz Member

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    OK, after close analysis of the previous "Post Melbourne Car Rankings" thread our collective expert opinions ranked the cars in the following order of race performance:

    McLaren
    Red Bull
    Lotus
    Mercedes
    Ferrari
    Williams
    Sauber
    Force India
    Torro Rosso
    Caterham
    Marussia
    HRT

    So how have opinions changed post Malaysia? An awkward race to judge the true pace of cars and drivers on but should still give us some fun.
     
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  2. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    McLaren
    Red Bull/Lotus
    Mercedes=In qualifying 2nd
    Ferrari
    Williams
    Sauber/Force India
    Toro Rosso
    Caterham
    Marussia
    HRT
     
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  3. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    On outright pace:
    McLaren
    Mercedes
    Lotus
    Red Bull
    Sauber
    Ferrari & Williams
    Toro Rosso
    Force India
    Caterham
    Marussia
    HRT

    Race pace is still a bit blurred, Red Bull and Lotus seem to have solid all rounders, Mercedes are a lot slower in the race, McLaren are unknown. I'd guess at:

    McLaren & Red Bull
    Lotus
    Sauber
    Mercedes
    Ferrari
    Williams
    Toro Rosso
    Force India
    Caterham
    Marussia
    HRT

    So combined quali and race performance:

    McLaren
    Red Bull & Lotus
    Mercedes
    Sauber
    Ferrari
    Williams
    Toro Rosso
    Force India
    Caterham
    Marussia
    HRT
     
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  4. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I? Forum Moderator

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    Mclaren
    Red Bull
    Sauber
    Lotus
    Williams
    Ferrari
    STR
    Force India
    Mercedes
    Caterham
    Marussia
    HRT
     
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  5. chrispa76

    chrispa76 Member

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    Bando is correct

    McLaren
    Red Bull
    Sauber
    Lotus
    Williams
    Ferrari
    Torro Rosso
    Force India
    Mercedes
    Caterham
    Marussia
    HRT
     
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  6. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that's exactly what I think too.
     
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  7. Forza Bianchi

    Forza Bianchi Well-Known Member

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    McLaren
    Red Bull
    Lotus
    Mercedes
    Sauber
    Williams
    Ferrari
    Force India
    Toro Rosso
    Caterham
    Marussia
    HRT
     
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  8. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    Mercedes should be below all the mid-field teams.
     
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  9. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Overall race pace:

    McLaren
    Red Bull
    Lotus
    Ferrari
    Williams
    Mercedes
    Sauber
    Force India
    Toro Rosso
    Caterham
    Marussia
    HRT

    The Merc just seems to fall apart in the race to show any real pace.
     
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  10. Paco Montoya

    Paco Montoya Well-Known Member

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    McLaren
    Red Bull
    Lotus
    Sauber
    Mercedes
    Williams
    Ferrari
    Toro Rosso/Force India
    Caterham
    Marussia
    HRT
     
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  11. Forza Bianchi

    Forza Bianchi Well-Known Member

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    Mercedes in qualifying are very close to McLaren, and were arguably on par with them at Malaysia.

    In the race they struggle but it's not that bad. Schumacher probably would have finished 4th in Australia without his mechanical problem and when he completes a full race in the dry we should be able to see their true pace. I think their driver line-up is holding them back.
     
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  12. TheModestMatt

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    This is how I see it in terms of race pace, but we really need a normal dry weekend on a non-street circuit track to get the true picture, saying that it will probably rain in China :p

    Mclaren
    Red Bull
    Lotus
    Sauber
    Ferrari
    Williams
    Force India
    STR
    Mercedes
    Caterham
    Marussia
    HRT
     
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  13. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    That's it mate, I want a dry race... straights could suit the mercs here.
     
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  14. chrispa76

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    Because of Mercedes tyre wear issues, I thought that a wet race would suit them better. Also, you drive with more wing during wet which gives the DRS more effect.
     
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    Mercedes have alas turned up a dud once again it seems.

    Blame whoever you like, but there is something fundamentally wrong at that team!

    For me, I think it goes:
    Mclaren
    Red Bull
    Lotus
    Sauber
    Williams
    Ferrari
    Mercedes
    STR
    Force India
    Caterham
    (gap)
    Marussia
    HRT
     
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  16. Forza Bianchi

    Forza Bianchi Well-Known Member

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    Today's Autosport magazine includes (what they believe to be) the pecking order in qualifying pace and race pace. I discreetly made a note of it on my phone today at the shop. I didn't bother with Marrusia or HRT though. Here it is:

    Raw pace (qualifying)
    1. McLaren
    2. Mercedes +0.234
    3. Lotus +0.247
    4. Red Bull +0.410
    5. Williams +0.945
    6. Ferrari +1.189
    7. Sauber +1.291
    8. Force India +1.311
    9. Toro Rosso +1.317
    10. Caterham +2.846

    Race pace:
    1. Red Bull
    2. McLaren +0.140
    3. Williams +0.750
    4. Lotus +0.802
    5. Sauber +0.862
    6. Ferrari +0.870
    7. Toro Rosso +0.927
    8. Force India +1.027
    9. Mercedes +1.194
    10. Caterham +2.168
     
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  17. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    How have they come up with those Forza?
     
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  18. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    Average laps I heard with regard to race pace.
     
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  19. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    It's not really a pecking order at all then, just a summary of what's happened so far.
     
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  20. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    The Ferrari gets the bad press but the Merc is far worse IMO. they seem to be opposites, the Merc good at Qualy and pants in the race and the Ferrari a dog in Quali but seems to have the pace to keep up in the race (at least in Alonso's hands). I certainly don;t think Schumacher would've finished forth if he hadn't broken his car going off in Aus.

    My opinion

    McLaren
    RBR
    Ferrari
    Lotus
    Williams
    Sauber
    Force India
    Mercedes
    STR
    Blah
    Blah
    Blah
     
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