Yet another pathetic defeat for United at home this season. God knows what has happened to us this season and please don't blame it on the injuries. Blame the tactics and team selections. Ok forget about that. I wasn't too keen on this Europa league and all I wanted was that the youngsters should get a chance which they haven't. Now speaking about Europa league how does a club like Manchester United end up in this tournament? Now there are a lot of fans on this site as well as many others who think we should support the club through thick and thin, get behind the players no matter how bad they are, blindly follow the managers words as gospel even if he happens to be the greatest of all time. WRONG!! I COMPLETELY DISAGREE. Fergie no matter how great he is has to answer the questions. I am a Manchester United supporter. Have been for my whole life. Never have and never will think of supporting any other club. But I have a few questions. Manchester United is a product and I along with 330m fans around the world are it's consumers. I have invested a lot of money and time into the club and if my investment doesn't yield me enough returns I have every right to critisize. Now many idiotic fans say "We are in transistion","We don't have the right to be at the top every time", "We don't spend big", "All is fine at the club". There was one interesting example one person gave on other site. I quote it - "I mean, I buy sun dried tomato paste from Tesco every fortnight and it tastes really nice every time. Would it be acceptable if from time to time the sun dried tomato paste was disappointingly bland, not bursting with its usual flavour? No! Would I accept it if Tesco said it was in transition between different suppliers of the raw ingredients, and that I should just be a loyal customer and remember all the good taste experiences I have had with Tesco sun dried tomato paste over the years? No! And being a football supporter is the same thing, isn't it? We pay our money in return for personal gratification - only in this case in the medium of attacking, winning football rather than flavoursome condiments." I pay money and I want results. We have fans who pay 50 bucks for a shirt every year, 1000 bucks for a season ticket, 25 bucks for one United membership, MUTV, other merchandize. Plus we have fans just like me who fly from India, Korea, China, Africa ,US to watch us at OT. A shirt costs almost Rs.3000 in India. Flying to UK to watch us costs me at least Rs.1,00,000. Fans of other top clubs like Barca, Madrid, Milan have top expectations. They expect to win and "with flair". Then why are our fans so leniant towards our performances. WE ARE A ELITE CLUB. We should expect success every f*cking year with great football. TRANSITION SHOULD NEVER BE AN OPTION FOR US. It's not the 70-80's anymore where one could be satisfied with whatever we get. The moment we lower our expectations the Glazers stop investing. The club isn't just built around the faithful reds from in and around greater Manchester and Salford. No. Infact we are a MEGA CLUB because of the fans all over the world from Asia, Africa, US etc. These fans or 'GLORY HUNTERS" as some of you say are as much as important to the club than the match day going Reds. As a fan of this great club I expect top quality players. By top quality I mean GENIUNE SUPERSTARS". Big Money signings. I pay my hard earned money so I expect top players at the club. Look at our last few signings Bebe, Obertan, Jones, Young, De Gea, Smalling, Hernandez, Owen. Yes some of them are young and have potential. But where are the big names? Not a single big name!! Don't give me nonsense that we have never signed big names. Rio, Rooney, Veron, Berba were all big names. Even Ronaldo at 12m for a 17 year old was big. There are no genuine SUPERSTARS AT THE CLUB apart from Rooney and Nani maybe. These cheap signings have to stop. I don't say buy big every time but I do expect a WOW signing and to complement him a few cheap and value for money deals like Chicha and Smalling. But if we again continue to buy cheap then I will surely doubt the owners, as a consumer of the product that is Manchester United. Another excuse given by a few faithfuls is that we are in transition. FOR A BIG CLUB LIKE UNITED THERE SHOULD BE NO TRANSITION. A club with a turnover, income, fans and the greatest manager has no transition. So next time don't give me excuses that we are in transition. We had money to spend in summer, in January but we blew it on a 19 year old CB and a left winger who doesn't use his left foot. So that is total negligence from the club's part. Many say we shouldn't just follow Barcelona blindly now. But at the beginning of the season "Getting to their levels" was on the mouths of every United fan including Fergie. Fergie talked a lot about youth and Pogba saying he will get opportunities. But as the season is coming to an end he has got just a handful of them not even 90 minutes. Giggs and Scholes are the first names on the team sheet these days. I genuinely feel we fans are being cheated by the club. As Real Madrid, Barca. Bayern and Milan fans expect trophies every year with GOOD FOOTBALL I do expect the same from UNITED as these 5 clubs are the ultimate in the world. Getting knocked out by minnow teams in the group stages is totally unacceptable. I don't say I expect us to win the CL every time but I do expect us to reach the later stages of the tournament every season. Now many of you after reading this long article may call me a ULTIMATE GLORYHUNTER. But do I care? No. I invest money and time so I expect returns in form of results and satisfaction. It is because of glory hunters like me and millions from foreign countries that Manchester United are such a big and elite club. The same thing applies to Barcelona, Real Madrid, Milan, Glory hunters are as important to elite clubs as the local support. My only point was that we should expect more from the club in terms of returns for our money that includes big name signings, better staff *cough cough Mike Phelan* and more transparency.
"The moment we lower our expectations the Glazers stop investing." Maybe if they started investing we wouldnt be in this predicament.They have taken over £600m out of Manchester Uniteds club coffers in 6 years to pay off interest and to restructure their loans that they used to buy MUFC. You cite R.Madrid as an example of elite clubs not having transitional problems and having some kind of right to win trophies, yet all they have won in the past 4 seasons is 1 Spanish Cup title and havent seen a Champions league final in 10 years, despite spending close to £1 Billion on players in this period. No one has a right to win trophies, we follow our clubs because we love them, if you want guaranteed success maybe you should follow a merchant banks stock listings, at least you will have your much needed glory.
Since the pinnacle period of 2007/08/09, the rise of Barcelona, Madrid and City has coincided with the decline in United's performance, last year's campaign was unsatisfactory in terms of attractive football. This year, United started brightly but it is hard to keep it up when all you have is potential, not enough class. United haven't made a stellar signing for some time now. Just like Arsenal funded their stadium by selling their players, we have been cutting out debt with all the profit we are making each year. Just like Arsenal, we are emphasising on youngsters because we aren't (cannot?) buying superstars. So the simple answer is, GLAZERS OUT!!!
We've gone less than a season since we last won a trophy and all I see is wums talking about our decline and our awful team (same bullshit I've heard a billion times before) and our fans moaning. Sick of this crap.
Because some of them think for the future. Fergie will last retire soon, all this talks of Giggs/ Ole as our manager worries me. I am not saying Glazers are ideal owners. They are far from it. But it's Fergie's reluctance to spend on big players is worrying me. If he asks for money Glazers will have to give him. But all we go are for the cheap signings. Don't tell me Young and Jones were big money. Both were worth far from what we paid because there English. We haven't played great football since Ronaldo. Real sacked their manager inspite winning the league. Their fans want great football. Why don't we expect great football? Fergie is the greatest manager and can do anything if he wants. We are Manchester United and we should expect trophies every single year and we have a right to win every year. If we don't questions should be asked. Big money signings are essential. Why the insistence on cheap signings like Obertan every time. Why shouldn't we compare ourself to Real or Barcelona? Are we afraid to compare? Barcelona even after winning trebles still spent. We were complacent thinking won't need any new signings for CM. This was negligence from our part.
Alan What makes you think that? If not agreeing to some of the redtinted opinions constitutes a wum then what's the forum used for?
Arsenal Chelsea UNited Liverpool are all below their 2009 levels, all of those teams have gone backwards. Not just United. Truth is most top players don't want to go to England and prefer Spain. Barca and Real took the best 4 midfielders in the prem in Alonse Ronaldo Mascerano and Fabregas. Add to that the decline of players like Drogba Torres and a bunch of others. The overall level of the top teams has dropped. The few years getting teams to the CL finals were seen as the heralding of the premier league the best in the world, but really it was borrowed and now it has tobe paid back now there isn;t an endless pool of money to borrow.
But we aren't Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal are we? We are Manchester United the greatest team in the land. It's a myth that players only want to go to Real or Barca. United can attract top class players too. Only latino players are attracted to the Spanish clubs. What about others? Germans, French, Italians, Czech, African, Belgian, Dutch? There are plenty of superstars in these countries. Why don't we sign big from these? Whether the PL is in decline is not even a question. We are Manchester United and we should be at the top every time.!!!!! For a club the size of ours, the turnover, profits, fans, manager there should be no talks of transition imo.
When we can get him cheaper after a couple of years. --------------------------- Only for the player to go to a rival and come to haunt us. How many times have we seen this negligence from our side. Silva, Benzema, Villa, Ozil, Sneijder. We were interested in all of them. But we delayed and never put in concrete bids for them. Our negotiators are just incompetent. FFP is a farce. It won't stop sugar daddy clubs like City, Chavski, PSG from spending billions. The recent Etihad deal is an example. Also the big clubs like Real, Barcelona, Milan will always spend big. It's upto us to decide whether we want to spend big or not or just wait for FFP to kick off and keep moaning about value in the transfer market.
We're still in the running for two trophies at the moment. We have a young squad that's been depleted by injuries, and our captain and most important player has been, and will be out all season. Despite all of that we're 2 points off the top, behind a free spending Man City, in the QF of the Europa League. (We shouldn't have qualified IMO, but some Europe is better than no Europe). Yet all people is complain and bitch that we're not good enough and that "i spend time and money into the club" so we have some right to demand results. What about the supports of the other 19 clubs that don't win the premier league title?
Pathetic attempt at WUM. Look at his profile and what he said is absolutely what we are being accused of. 5 posts only nd 5 attempts at wummimg. F**k off.
Clearly a friend of Nohlman or Nohlman himself. Close thread and request member is banned....hopefully from living.
Wow! Some of our fans are really thick aren't they? Just because they do not agree to someone else's opinion they label him as a WUM. Who is this Nolhman you are talking about.
