Freedom of speech.

My Father and Uncles and Grandfathers fought for it.
My older brother fought for it.

Me I was just a sad hooligan who knew he couldn't hack the discipline required for the armed forces.
Even though a magistrate suggested it to me.
But my respect for those who have and are protecting our civil liberties is immense.

We see on the news our lads being killed fighting for other peoples freedom.
And it breaks my heart.

Yet some cowardly Welshman takes his own life, rather than face up to what was going to be said about him.
Is he worth more respect as he played football.
Is he ****.


Lets have loads more RIP threads started about random people none of us knew or cared about.


But please only ones our super moderator deems worthy, the others he will make bad taste jokes about. As they aren't Gary Speed they are fair game though.



I have had enough of this bullshit double standards.
Syd wants me gone fine!
No way is some two faced twat going to censor my posts.
http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/127949-Selfish-Bastard


I will be reading the rest of my fellow Mackem's posts avidly, as I'm a strange one I actually love reading you guys posts on all things SAFC.
May not agree with some of you but I would defend to the hilt your right to voice your opinion.

I shall only be carefully picking and choosing any responses I make from now on.
Otherwise I may get other peoples thread closed down and I wouldn't want that.

When I have baited the mags it has usually been in threads I have started, with the intent to drag them away from other SAFC threads. And keep their dross in one place.

People who have complained about my language?
Did you complain to Syd when he has told the unwashed to **** off?



Oh and before the Mag children pile in, I'm not stopping posting altogether because of you sad sacks.
****ing moderators who are also WUM's for a football forum who are barely out of nappies, unfuckingbelievable.
Grow some ****ing balls.
Before you say I should grow some, hard to stand your ground when the ground is cut away by one of your own.



Quick Syd close the thread before anyone can comment.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

MR,

Now i'm also all for the power of free speech, and I don't think anybody could ever accuse me of being heavy handed as a MOD.

Thing was with the thread, and I commented on the thread, even passed my opinion, that of course it is going to be inflammatory to the other side, I know for sure as a passionate Sunderland fan you would have leapt to the man's defence if it had been one of ours, say a Bally.

I'm of the opinion that your views are certainly grounded in reason, the slant you put on is one of several genuine viewpoints on suicide.

What I can't defend, is the fact that there was no reason for the subject to be reared, other than if you were looking for a reaction.

Your a good lad MR, and me & you have passed many ours chatting, debating, squabbling with the other side on this.

As a man I credit with a decent level of intelligence, I know you understand why this one was a little bit over the line.

Don't stop posting, a forum is nothing without omment.

 

Once again MM, I shall reiterate the comments (which I stand by ) I made were to point out the hypocrisy levels on here.
Their moderators have no problem with accusations of *****phillia or that ignorant twat Humble.
Even going so far as to lie about not knowing whom I'm talking about. How ****ing childish and sad is that?
Yet my valid point about Speed has them pissing in their nappies.

Sorry mate if it had been Bally or anyone else under those circumstances I would have said the same.
Plus I wouldn't have thrown my toys out of the pram.
And I wouldn't bleat on about it because someone was beating me in an argument.

Comm's thread "Charged" has been locked, now I wonder who could have done that?

 

Right I'm off for a bit, going out with some real live friends for a drink.

Does that stop the skunks saying I have no life but this forum for a day?

hahahaha
Comm I'll get back to you on your PM when I return mate, probably be late on when your on anyway.
Got a couple of good links for you.

 

I'm a bit conflicted over this because I usually agree with the things that Syd says and I usually don't feel so much in harmony with MR's approach... but there is certainly something in what he says here in my opinion.

I'm guessing that because things are tense at the moment the mods are being hyper-sensitive about some topics. This inevitably leads to double standards.

I find, for example, that the 5-1 Newcastle moderator does very little other than WUM on the Sunderland boards and it's always 'just banter' whereas on the Mag board heyesterday started to edit other peoples' posts to alter the meaning... justifying it because he felt the posterwas nothing but a WUM!!

Why is an opinion that Speed was a coward by killing himself (not saying it's my view but it is a widely held view and MR has explained why he thinks this is the case with some valid points) so out of order and yet jokes about the death of Davy Jones are okay?

I'm not going so far as to believe Syd is in some sort of conspiracy theory with the likes of 5-1... I think he's trying to keep the lid on explosions of venom but until I see the same behavior from all of the mods I cannot help but feel that MR has the right of it.

 

Like I say MR, I personally have no issue with what you've said, your opinion is widely agreed regarding suicide, but at the same token, I can see from both sides, and why they have.

Accusations about our manager, well that's their cross to bear, in my opinion we can rise above it, I hear somebody has reported it to Northumbria Police anyway, so whoever posted it, well they are in for a very rude awakening.

I'm not taking anyone's side on this MR, but cut Syd some slack, he is far from 'anti-MR', but he has to respond to the PM's he get's, wherever they come from, in his role on the forum.

As a side, for the Mag mods, I hope that you guys are going to start watching your posters a bit closer as well, we try to mod NOTHING on this board, but I can say on Syd's behalf that many of the PM's were from lads on your side that post inane and insulting comment about Sunderland/Mackems/Individuals on a regular basis.

We can't have it both ways.

 

All very fair Willa

 

This is all rather deep for an online forum.

 

Not helping Chappaz.

We're trying to make the forum better for all, and for the record, this is all at the request of your fans.

 

Well, it's the truth. It is.

And if you want a way to make this forum better for all, then I'd advise heeding those words and not taking it so seriously.

Most arguments on here revolve around 4 things:

1). Looking deeply into the moral boundaries of the moderating decisions
2). Reacting too emotively to wind-up attempts
3). Feeling the need to dish out wind-up attempts in the process
4). Getting too determined to share opinions which could be deemed sensitive or offensive

I think you'll find that if all four of these points were taken less seriously, 90% of any problems on here would virtually fade away.

 

All fair Chappaz.

 

Good points

 

Right, I think it's time for some changes, but first some explinations.

It has been said how I want rid of MR, dont like him, well believe it or not if I dont want rid of MR and neither like or dislike him, apart from what I see on here I dont know him. Furthermore I try very, very hard to keep ant personal feelings out of moderating descisions.

Garry Speed and why IMO it was out of order.

When the news broke about Speeds death I knew many people would be affected, he was a footballer, highly thought of by the fans of the teams he played for. I asked GC to respect those feelings, not Speed, his death, the manner of his death or even the man, just the feelings of fellow not606 members.

I then was subjected to a few weeks of personal abuse and problems with posts on the Newcastle board, believe me the posts were very bad.

In the aftermath of the derby the arguments and IMO OTT abuse was all over the board and complaints came in about it, I also had complaint about the Speed comments.

My role in moderating is to try and find middle ground, we had one ban and that was the person who posted about MON, he was banned from the Sunderland board.

I made the judgemant to close the thread to stop any further esclilation of the arguments.

I have been acused from Sunderland fans of loving the mags, letting them get away with it, being to soft.

I have been accused from Newcastle of being biased, nfair, looking at things through red and white glasses.

Everything I do I do for what I feel is the best intrest of the forum but maybe both sides are right, maybe I am to close.

So, the solution is I am backing off from the Sunderland board, all reference to Sunderland is gone from my profile and I will still be around but nothing like I have been.

All moderating will be done by your mods, any actions I take will be at the request of the mods.

So, I can no longer be the fall guy and TBH I'm tired of having to justify what I do.

Its not a good buy post, a sorry for myself post just an explination of what has been done and why.

Believe it or not, I can only tell it how it is.

 

So true.

 

Drama strikes gain on not606, I think everyone needs to go out a have a pint with their real frriends like mackemsrule said earlier

 

The trick is getting EVERYONE to abide by these... and also to get agreement about where 'moral boundaries' are as I'm pretty certain we would not get a consensus.

While I agree with you Chap I think, for example, you break the above (especially point 3) but I genuinely think you often don't recognise you do it... that's another BIG problem. Getting people to look at their own behaviour as an instigator/catalyst for issues rather than always feeling they're aLWAYS in the right of it.

And the self-confessed and obvious WUMs would never abide by the above.

 

Suicide is such an emotive issue.
Any time I hear of a suicide it makes me think "There but for the grace of God"...
Mental strength is just like physical strength. Some have more than others. Would anyone call the copper the other week a coward? I certainly wouldn't. Garry Speed? Well on the face of it yes. He seemed to have it all yet something we don't know about was obviously very wrong. Which in my opinion makes judging him wrong to as we don't know the whole picture.
As for the Mods..In a perfect world as I have said many times before, should be neutral. But that's never going to happen on sites such as this.
Syd does in my opinion a very good job but it grips me when he constantly reaffirms the fact he is a mod over and over again. I just don't see the need.
Maybe a way around this would be for mods to have two accounts. One for posting as a normal fan, one for modding without giving away their true identity. A bit like Superman and the phone box trick.
That said this site would be far worse but for the unpaid efforts of Syd and for that, I would like to thank him for the grand job he does.

 

Seriously that is extremely sad that someone is so sensitive they'd go to the police. I think some people are losing touch with the real world. Imagine if the police had to visit everybody that posted a nasty comment untrue or otherwise in jest/winding up on internet forums. I think they can sleep easy Mush to be honest.

 

I read that on another thread somewhere mate.

The problem is, for all that the vast majority of us can take it, or aren't offended by it, there are some who are, and they have their right to be.

It's a balance we need to find, but I honestly think we can, I think there's some bright lads post on here, from both sides of the divide.