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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Doped to the Gills, Feb 22, 2012.

  1. Doped to the Gills

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    Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.

    Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.
     
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  2. CCC

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    Just a label. Who says it's incurable? 'Incurable' is merely a disease/condition we don't understand properly. It is 'incurable' by us at the moment. But if it goes away, has it been cured? Just because it's labeled 'incurable' and it goes away (is 'cured') does that mean there's a 'curer'? Is spontaneous remission a miracle or just another statistical factor in something we don't fully understand? You flip a coin enough times on a table and eventually it will land on its edge. This is spontaneous remission. In some conditions it's more likely (more coins/flips), in some cases it's less likely (less coins/flips). But society is based on science (which accepts the unknown, but does not accept the idea of the unknowable), logic and probability. Why resort to magic when reality is so much more? <ok>
     
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  3. PleaseNotPoll

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    You're assuming that laws that affect this universe did so before it formed, DttG.
     
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    Spontaneous remission, maybe, misdiagnosis in the first place more likely.
     
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  5. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    Where's fan?
     
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    God is real <ok>
     
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  7. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    Prove he isn't

    <invisibilitycloak>
     
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  8. PleaseNotPoll

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    If there was a god, then General Chat would've gone the way that Sodom and Gomorrah supposedly did.
     
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  9. CCC

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    Prove he is. The burden of proof lies with he who holds the most unlikely hypothesis. Hint: that's god! ;)
     
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    Unless this is where fan can save your soul...

    <notforprophet>
     
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  11. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Well-Known Member

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    There are two main schools of thought for atheists

    One is there is no God, the other is that if there is a God he is not exactly benevolent

    Personally I believe there is a God (as shown by the consistent persecution and survival of the Jews) that is responsible for everything (such as disease, the internet, war and football) and allows/causes bad things to happen
     
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  12. jerseymackem

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    Well, not really, an atheist by definition believes that there is definitely no God. If you think that there could be a God but not necessarily a benevolent one, that's agnostic, or even theist.
     
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  13. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

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    A lot of atheists believe there is no God because if one existed there would be no suffering
     
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  14. CCC

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    1. Atheism.

    2. Not atheism. But if god exists (unlikely!) then they may have a good point.

    3. Fine. We can all believe what we like, regardless of evidence.

    4. Which god does this prove, if any?

    See 2. Where can I sign up for your religion as your god sounds awesome! ;) <ok>
     
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  15. Kyle?

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    <laugh> Sums it up perfectly.
     
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  16. jerseymackem

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    I'm going to bed now, but with regards to the problem of evil and suffering, we don't know what sort of a plan God has for us (assuming he exists). If you take a look at a snapshot of a hospital, it's obviously an evil place, people go there, get cut open, get chemicals and other **** pumped into them. Of course, the bad comes out to be outweighed by the good, most of the time, but without suffering and pain it's not possible to get better. In a world without suffering, would there be any point in living? Good parts of life are only good in comparison to bad parts, take away the bad and there's not really any good <ok>

    Hope that made sense, goodnight and God bless <whistle>
     
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  17. Kyle?

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    Good, interesting thread, but i thought we covered this months ago. Where's fan and his islam army?
     
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  18. PleaseNotPoll

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    False dichotomy.
    You can feel bad, good or neither.
    Feeling good can still be contrasted with not feeling good, without the need for suffering or pain.
    If you believe in heaven, then you've automatically dismissed this too, as you accept a place without suffering where you can feel good.
     
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  19. Doped to the Gills

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    Ive heard more sense in a church
     
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  20. Kyle?

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    That argument holds no water mate, people have to suffer pain for their own good, that's medicine, i understand, but surely god is so magical that he doesn't cause pain to anyone? He could perform open heart surgery whilst doing the Times crossword (says so in the bible) and not hurt anyone, if you believe what you read. The fact is, God wouldn't make people suffer, especially the vulnerable and poor, who tend to believe in him more than upwarly mobile citiziens. What bastard would hurt the people who worship him?
     
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