The catholic church as far as I'm aware went on a killing spree beheading pagans.. Then there were the crusades killing Muslims, the Spanish inquisition, witch hunts, many atrocities committed across Europe in the last century in the name of the catholic church.. Also they apparently did a deal with the nazis. In all honesty I don't really care as if it wasn't being done in the name of catholiscism it would have happened for another reason.. But my point us the whole world as a whole has done some seriously **** things generally in the name of religion.. So to pluck **** out to justify the killing of innocents is utter bollocks that's my point.
How do you not know kids aren't being abused at Celtic? Nothing to back this up of course, but simply using Steptoes theory that it happened before it could be happening again.
The Catholic Church was involved in a war of aggression against the Cathars of France They asked for help to recover the Holy City of Jerusalem that was once a Christian City, to defend Byzantium, the Greek orthodox capital and agreed to other crusades of defence You won't find any Pope ordering murders and rapes that were carried out by the Princes of Europe Subsequent Papal State Wars were mostly in acts of defence of Rome and Naples How many witches did the inquisition kill compared to witchfinder generals of cromwell I'm sorry your other point is fine but One Empire was created through conversion and the other through conquest Blaming the catholic church for the actions of conquering noblemen chasing land is like blaming the queen for bloody sunday
Why didn't you just use my quote where I said I had heard about this claim Then you wouldn't be a liar
The 'war of aggression' against the Cathars was pretty much a one way fight that resulted in the massacre of men, women and children because of their beliefs. The Pope called on Christians to unite and free Jerusalem sending heathen souls to hell. I think it was Pope Urban that declared that killing the enemies of God guaranteed entry to heaven. It was he who defined who these enemies were... The Inquisitions weren't about witches. They went after anyone that was not conforming to the Church's rules on obedience. And the conquests of South America - was that through conversion or violence? This was strongly supported by the Catholic Church. There was the Papal agreement that divided the world, splitting the known and unknown territories between Spain and Portugal to convert or send the heathen souls to hell. The riches were of course brought back to the respective countries along with some converts. Many had a choice - conversion to a religion alien to their cultures or death. Not really a great choice to be given. The 'be one of us and believe what we believe or we will kill you' idea sounds familiar............ And don't get me started on the policy of contraception especially in sub-Saharan Africa. The Church is still responsible for the deaths of millions to this day.
So we agree then Cathars were terrorized on purpose Crusades were about freeing the terrorized not conquest for personal gain as it became The inquisition were Spanish and deliberately terrorized one country for obedience....not for surviving being drowned like the witchfinders Conquistadors conqured South America using natives who butchered natives and disease did the rest. You think the pope ordered the actual very small number of men sent to kill for god....or the Spanish king said kill for gold You still think the catholic church terrorized more people than the British?
We only agree if you also believe that the Catholic Church has been responsible for some of the worst episodes in history
The argument has been on terror so to use this word is apt You have the Cathars The crusaders killed a lot of people but this was brought on by massacres they faced on the way. They also killed lots of Jews in Europe. The pope and the church did not sanction indiscriminate slaughter...kings did because on the crusades kings were in charge.....under Christian control Jerusalem was multi cultural....how is an alleged papal edict of slaughtering infidels going to work in tandem with this. The pope wanted control of Jerusalem in Christian hands...the kings defied all other requests the pope made bar this one The inquisition were basically terrorists.....but they only had power in Spain, catholic Europe saw excommunication regularly without fear of thubscrews....but they were no worse than witchfinders Conversion in America happened when less than 100 Spanish troops, searching for gold, struck the natives with awe at their appearance and technology....theses natives followed the Spaniards and the following grew so that great swathes of land were conqured.....and the new Borgia Pope at the time had other things going on to even know what the Spanish were up to....and I didn't say a few died....i said there was actually very few Spaniards there to begin with No one is terrorizing Africans other than warlords Don't have sex until your married being advice ignored yet they are scared to use condoms? Give me peace
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Inquisition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Inquisition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Urban_II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_caetera http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_AIDS Can't be arsed arguing with you.
"Torture methods that resulted in bloodshed, births, mutilation or death were forbidden. Also, torture could be performed only once. However, it was common practice to consider a second torture session to be a "continuation" of the first. Torture methods included hanging by the wrists, with weights suspended from the ankles (a form of torture known as strappado), the rack, and waterboarding." Punishment Among the possible punishments were prayer, pilgrimage, wearing a yellow cross for life, banishment, public recantation, or, occasionally, long-term imprisonment. The unrepentant and apostates could be "relaxed" to secular authority, however, opening the convicted to the possibility of various corporal punishments, up to and including being burned at the stake. Execution was neither performed by the Church, nor was it a sentence available to the officials involved in the inquisition, who, as clerics, were forbidden to kill. The accused also faced the possibility that his or her property might be confiscated. In some cases, accusers may have been motivated by a desire to take the property of the accused, though this is a difficult assertion to prove in the majority of areas where the inquisition was active, as the inquisition had several layers of oversight built into its framework in a specific attempt to limit prosecutorial misconduct. . For example, Bernard Gui, a famous inquisitor working in the area of Carcassonne (in modern France), executed 42 people out of over 900 guilty verdicts in fifteen years of office. Execution was to admit defeat, that the Church was unable to save a soul from heresy, which was the goal of the inquisition. MUCH LESS SEVERE THAN WITCHFINDERS
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_caetera The Spanish Pope confirms Spanish rights over lands Spain already occupied "No, give them back"
Urban II's crusading movement took its first public shape at the Council of Piacenza, where, in March 1095, Urban II received an ambassador from the Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos asking for help against Muslim Turks who had taken over most of formerly Byzantine Anatolia. A great council met, attended by numerous Italian, Burgundian, and French bishops in such vast numbers it had to be held in the open air outside the city. At the Council of Clermont held in November of the same year, Urban II's sermon proved highly effective, as he summoned the attending nobility and the people to wrest the Holy Land and the eastern churches generally from the control of the Seljuk Turks. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Urban_II As I said, originally to help Byzantium, but Chinese whispers etc.....no tweeting back then to stop tens of thousands of men arriving on your doorstep....ok go get Jerusalem then
I refuse flat out to read any of this ****e, mainly because its you posting it but i will say this. Is that no what we have been saying for every recent british or western military intervention
My original point seemingly been lost... All i was saying is some vile ****s on here were backing the IRA blowing up women and children because of stuff the british empire has done hundreds of years ago. So i made a comparison that their beloved catholic church has also been responsible for many atrocities over the years.. Anyone can pluck ****e from history to back up a bigoted point of view instilled into them by other bigotted backward thinking ****wits. Society as a whole will never ever move on while complete ****s hide behind religion and **** that happened hundreds of years ago..
