Really don't know how you come to that conclusion. Watch Squarez's hand and it would be shaking Evra's hand if Evra had offered it out confidently. I'm not defending anyone here, just offering a balanced view, and neither come out of it with any credit at all.
Between Fran and Channon they have hit the nail on the head. I can think of many words for Roy Keane but the words Psychotic and Animal sum him up best!
I didn't quite go the full clarkson and suggest it be done in front of his family. Agree that if handshakes should be forced it should be at the end of the game. When I played Hockey we had to give oppo three cheers. I'm a bit old fashioned and always feel disgusted after a game of football when people don't make the effort to shake hands with the opponents or the officials. Will show it is just a game after all.
I think there was a bit of pressure from the top at Liverpool for both to come out and appologise. Dalgleish doesn't come across as the type to back down even if he is wrong. The whole thing is just a farce particuarly with what went on in the tunnell and then Evra over celbrating at the end. All very childish and a bit sad really. With regards to the original comment it was surely a way of having a go at Evra who was having a go back. Totally wrong to bring race into it but after all it was only words. Sticks and stones and all that. I just think all of it has been blown out of proportion.
Not if they are serious about racism it hasn't. If Liverpool FC hadn't been so intent on playing the victim in all this it might have died down by now. But they have messed it up from the start. Instead of accepting that Suarez had got it wrong they allowed their dislike of MU lead to condoning a racist comment. Their statement following the hearing and Dalgleish's subsequent comments have been shameful.
Liverpools handling of the situation has been disgraceful and has fuelled the whole incident even more, particuarly with the t-shirts. However, was Evra genuinly offended by the comments or was it a way of him getting a rival into trouble. I am sure he has probably been called worse before and not done anything about it (apart from the incident at Chelsea). Sadly I don't think that racism has been eradicated from the game to an extent that there have only been two incidents this season. I suspect it goes on a lot more and because it was Utd vs Liverpool and John Terry was involved in the other one is the reason for it escalating and being blown out of proportion. If it was two players from league 1 that were involved it wouldn't have been a big deal at all which is wrong. I just don't think that if it was another player in a lower league the penalty would have been as severe and there would be no media hype.
What astonishes me most about this is that people are surprised by Suarez's behaviour despite his checkered biting, spitting past. It is like appointing El Hadj Diouf as secretary general of the UN peace corps. The main question is should ability overshadow all or should clubs have a responsibility to shun such players, this leads onto Lee Hughes and Marlon King.
Times have changed since the first foreign players moved here. Back then racism was normal. Now it isn't allowed. If 2 people argue and 1 uses someone's color as part of the description (even though it might be fact), im afraid that is racist. Different races have different histories and therefore react in different ways to references to their race. At the end of the day, regardless of whether there was one instance or 10, we need to act on each case. Saying "it's not that bad, it only happened once" is not good enough. Fair enough, you can shake someone's hand or not if you want. But this was different. This particular handshake had meaning behind it. Regardless of whether u agree with it or not, Suarez was found guilty of racially abusing Evra (not of being racist, there is a difference) and therefore served a ban. He also admitted to using the terms he used and added that it was not a bad term where he is from. Too bad for him, it is a bad term here, we shouldnt accept it, why should we allow racist terms here just because it's okay elsewhere? I am black, i dont think Suarez is racist, in fact Uruguay had black players way before anybody else (even brazil didnt allow black players at the time). The problem is how they handled the whole thing from the start. Shoulda just come out that day and said he's sorry, we've fined him 5k, he know it's wrong here and we do not support such behaviour. Job done. It woulda been over within a few days. Anyway, the problem is racism exists and we are not tackling it. The fact that we argue that it was fine for what suarez did just highlights it.
You make a fair point.....It is true that those like me that has not particularly suffered from any sort of racialism perhaps do not understand how it affects individuals. We perhaps do not appreciate the hurt that it can cause. I did once work with a group of African Americans for around two years continuously. We had a lot of discussions about racial issues. These were in the days when they could not actually drink out of the same water fountains or even eat at the same time in the same room as me! They actually thought I was strange because I would not conform to any of those regulations. So instead of them eating with me I ate with them!! Same room, Same table, Same chair and same food. At first they were wary of me and thought me quite mad other groups too thought that yours truly was mad. As time went on they accepted me as I did them from the outset. 45 years ago segregation was accepted although was on the turn. Surely in this day and age racialism is on the decrease and it is a small minority that choose to try and keep it alive!! Suarez admitted he abused Evra So end of story you would have thought. Take his punishment and then get back to your career. Kenny Dalgish could of ended everything there by backing the no racialism debate. No he allowed tea shirts to be warn supporting Saurez!!!!! What ever was he thinking? It will be a long time before Liverpool will be able to live down the reputation of being a racialist club. The football association as per usual are worthless and useless because of there failure to act against the club. It should at the very least be charged as it is an offence to condone racialism (bringing the game into disrepute or what ever they call it) All I can say is strong action needs to be taken now and quickly before there is too many more of these incidences. Some one else hit the nail on the head........why do they need to shake hands before the game why not after? In any case the reality is while it may not be sportsmanship to not shake someones hand it should not be compulsary. (When Bridge and Terry met on the playing field just after their little episode they did not shake hands). Hardly a thing was said about it. Why was so much made of it by Evra? Please do not think that I support Saurez in all this because I don't. I would just like the questions answered.
My view is that we've overlooked something here. It looks to me (and only my opinion) that a person who was accused and then (through the necessary powers) found guilty of an act of racism, appears to have shown no remorse for that act. Racism can not be tolerated.
Why do you lot even bother commenting on something if you're not going to stick to the fact?! Suarez was never convicted of being a racist but, on the 'basis of probability' that he said something that could be construed as being racist. Neither Kenny Dalglish, the club or the fans have staunchly defended a a racist. We have supported someone whom we feel has been victimised in a way far worse than players who have: 1, Blatantly missed a drugs test - Ferdy knows why he missed this but I doubt he'll make this public 2, Aggresively taken to the pitch with the sole intent on 'Hurting' another player 3, Attacked a fan - Whether he was a racist, BNP member or a general fan this should never have happened. Violence is wrong whatever the circumstances so if you agree with it, you are no better than the perputrator Suarez felt he was made a scape goat and so do the club. He made a comment which contained the word 'Negro' which, in whatever context he meant, was not acceptable and he accepted this but to make allegations about him is pure wrong. I work with people I don't like and wouldn't shake their hand, why should another man be made to carry out this act if he doesn't agree with it? Throughout the game on Saturday, Suarez conducted himself generally well and controlled. He didn't shake hands with Evra for whatever reason, let it go. The conduct of Evra is questionable to say the very least. Grabs Suarez by the arm to make a point, linges in two footed taking Ferdy down, intentionally aiming to injure Suarez (This cannot be denied with video footage to support it) and then goads the crowd at the end which to coin SAF's statement "Could have caused a riot!" People in glasshouses should be very careful where they throw their stones!
The "but they're worse than me" argument doesn't even work for 5 year olds. Why would you think it will work here? The lack of grace and common sense coupled with a blind backing of someone clearly and demonstrably in the wrong by huge sections of LFC fans is actually beginning to taint your club even more than the original incident.
Can you tell me what he was wrong of? Wrong for not shaking the hand of a man few people with any dignity and integrity can respect or because he kept his calm throughout the game when Utd players were doing their best to kick chunks out of him? I'm interested in your b%ullshit w=so you can share if you must - Joke!
As far as your point is concerned in your initial post you have a point about Evra's conduct which has also been aired by a few of us. However Hotbovril has a point too....... You say Saurez hasn't been convicted of being a racist. He has though been found guilty of making racist remarks which ever way you look at it. So he has not been made a "scape goat" at all. He certainly has been made an example of, there is no doubt about that. The fact that Dalglish and co allowed players to wear Tee shirts to support Saurez, was poorly thought out. Rather than supporting him it seems to have inflamed the argument that the club Hiarchy do not support the crack down on Racist comments. That is not just a view held by Saints fans that seems to be a view held by a vast majority of fans across the country as reported in the press. So in reality the incident has been tried by the fans and the club have been found guilty. Sorry to say it does not do Football or for that matter Liverpool any favours no matter how you look at the incident or incidents...........
I read the entire document released by the FA. Suarez was guilty of using racially abusive language, something which the club clearly knew about before the hearing. For what it's worth, I don't believe Suarez is racist. I think he, like many other professionals do, was simply trying to wind up an opponent during a match. Regardless, you just can't use that language. The club knew this yet allowed a very public show of support to go ahead. This in turn, quite naturally became something that a huge number of fans got behind. Then came the handshake episode and within minutes, Twitter was full of LFC fans arguing a case that Suarez has put his hand out purely because someone had taken a picture of paused Sky TV coverage. Of course the actual coverage showed the real story. This was then followed up by KD's post match faux-pas. The apology from KD was exactly what you would expect from a club that has always demonstrated a sense of decency and moral values. The whole Suarez affair was the opposite. Please note that I am not referring to any other instances of actual or perceived poor behaviour from any other player or club because it is irrelevant.
