Black Caviar Tomorrow Morning.

DancingBrave... Khalid Abdullah may have bucket loads of money but hes very passionate about Horseracing and his breeding and when a colt as good as Frankel and probably the best horse Khalid Abdullah as had comes along he is almost priceless, If something was to go 'amiss' with Frankel it would be a huge blow to Juddmonte. I certainly feel the unbeaten record means more to the Frankel camp more so than the Black Caviar camp. His stud value would be mind-blowing! Thats the part and parcel of racing these days, And thats another reason we might not see another triple crown winner in this country!

 

When i said"Amiss" i wasnt referring to his well-being.I was talking about his unbeaten record.
Poorly phrased,but there yer go.

 

Stick her over 2 miles and put 8 flights of hurdles up in front of her and then we'll see what she's made of... <run><run><run>

 

I reckon she could run in the placings of the CH, not win it but def 1st 3 or 4

 

The 1400m proved no problem for the mare. Her 8th G1 came as easily as any other. Interesting comment after the race by Peter Moody, was a tongue in cheek suggestion that Frankel might be an option.

http://www.racingnetwork.com.au/spo...ate/2012-02-11/race/6/trackid/16/default.aspx

 

Yeah Oddy, she was allowed to loaf along. The time was 4 seconds off the course record.

 

She won easily but the majority of the opposition were middle distance or stayers eg Midas Touch, Efficient. Bit like putting Usain Bolt in a 400 meter race with all the others taking part being marathon runners.

Will still look forward to seeing her at Royal Ascot though

 

Tuesday 12th June - Queen Anne Stakes - Frankel v Black Caviar.

That is what we want to see. Little point in her demolishing our sprinters. Take on the beast that is Frankel.

That would be something to look forward to.

 

I thought he was going Lockinge, then the Eclipse would be his first try at 10f. That suggests they'd run in the Queen Anne first. I suppose they might miss it but it would be a penalty kick, unless Black Caviar turned up and then it would be the clash of the century.

 

Cyc, please fill me in on this.

Does this wondermare have any chance of beating Frankel?

Moody says "I know people doubt the opposition but they are good horses - there is a Caulfield Cup winner who looked outstanding three weeks ago."

Now forgive me if I am overly critical but the Caulfield Cup is a Handicap over 1m4f where Southern Speed beat Manighar, a horse better over further than 12f, by 3 lengths in receipt of 9lbs. He then finishes 2nd to Black Caviar (unextended) over 7f. She might have won easily but at 12f Manighar is effectively a better horse than Southern Speed. Now I am sure that we would all agree that if Frankel and Manighar were to meet over 1m then Manighar would be so far behind that the exercise would be utterly pointless. I appreciate that the form cannot be taken at face value but it is hard to argue anything other than the fact that it is miles and miles behind what Frankel has shown at a mile.

Is the equivalent not Frankel dishing out facile beatings to horses like Opinion Poll at a mile?

I may be wrong, I may be naive, I may be overly critical, I may be all of those things. I am interested though so any insight would be appreciated.

But I would love to see her take on Frankel at Royal Ascot.

 

Yes she looked good again.But overall i was very disappointed by the way the race panned out.A brutally slow early pace and then a sprint.
Ok, she ran 7f but she didnt race 7f.Maybe im just being very fickle but i would have loved to have seen a true run race from start to finish.

 

There is no doubt that the Orr was a sit and sprint, not a true 7 furlong event. The race though is renowned for stayers running a big race. A Melbourne Cup winner (who's name escapes me) and others have gone well. But none of that helps in assessing the Orr run. One of the problems with a horse of this calibre, is that they tend to scare off opposition, so a lot of the time the races are run at a farcical pace. So we still don't know just how strong she is at 7 or 8f. We only have the thoughts of the trainer. And of course her 6f form, which is amazing. I see no reason as yet to think that she cant get the mile against the very best.

As for the Frankel clash, if it came off, He would have to try to break her heart. He. I don't think can amble along and then expect to out sprint her. She's a crack sprinter, it's her forte, Frankel is a crack miler. If he's to destroy her, I believe he'll have to run some serious time early, to try to get her off the bit. Today, for the first, she was a bit head strong, according to Luke Nolan, she can't afford to do that against Frankel. I don't know how to align the splits of the two horses. Frankel has put in sensational splits in most middle sections, but not usually in the last furlong. Here his splits have not been all that flash, for the most part. Black Caviar's splits are accentuated at different sections of the race. Her strong points are usually toward the end of her races. When he's high balling, she's cruising, When he's cruising, she's high balling. If they meet, he'll likely lead, and she'll sit on him until probably 2 furlongs out. what happens then? Who knows.

 

There,s one thing i dont understand after the race is,why knowing that she hadn't run 7f before would the other jockeys(on stayers and Mid Distance horses)
dawdle and let the race play into BC's hands?Surely they should have blasted off from the front to try and and expose any chinks that she might have in her stamina.

Tactical ineptitude perhaps?

 

I know what you mean Reebok. It seems unfair that one of them would have to lose, that is assuming that the most titanic battle in the history of horse racing doesn't ensue and result in a dead-heat.

Does anybody know how Frankel's early 2000 Guineas sectionals compare to Black Caviar's?

 

Zen, sorry that I didn't get the chance to answer your question last night. I didn't get in until 12:30am, so only had the time for a quick think on the race. I take your point on ratings and weights between Manighar and Southern Speed. All I can say is that the race was run at a dawdle, which of course played into Black Caviar's hands. It allowed her to amble to the lead then just cruise to the line. When a race is run like this, it make a bit of a mockery to the ratings. If Frankel had been in the same boat, and been asked to race in the same manner, against Opinion Poll, it's unlikely that he would have put 20 lengths on him on straightening. If he'd been nursed into the race off a slow pace, then not asked to do much in the straight, his win over the likes of Opinion Poll would also have skewed the rankings.

As for Frankel's sectionals for the QE11 were 15.76, 11.94, 12.63, 11.89, 11.56, 10.99, 11.93, 12.75.

I looked around for the Guineas sectionals, but couldn't find them. But I think NewmarketPrincess may have posted them at one point. If memory serves, he went for it about 4f out and put in two sensational furlongs, then a fairly slower third, then pretty much walked the final furlong. I stand corrected if I got that wrong.