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England Job.

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by MackemsRule, Feb 9, 2012.

  1. blackcatsteve

    blackcatsteve Well-Known Member

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    he has to get the job eventually, or what is the point of having him as Under-21 and Capellos right hand man on the bench for the proper internationals, the whole point was to get him used to the setup so he can step in when the time is right.

    I think the time now has come a tournament or 2 too early for him though, but i can see Pearce as England manager in 4-8 years time when Harry (If he gets it this time around) goes. Or the whole thing has just been a pointless waste of time and money. (Which is just typical of the FA i suppose)
     
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  2. parkersafc

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    I think Harry should take over at the end of the prem season in a try before you buy kinda deal where he remains spurs manager but manages England at the euros. If he wants it after and we for well at euro 2012 its his if not he continues as spurs manager and England appoint a new man for world cup qualifying.
     
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  3. ...And Out Come the Wolve

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    Can't see Spurs being happy about being left in the lurch.
     
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  4. Wherewereyou

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    Sorry if this has already been raised - is it a full-time job, anyway? From what I can gather, Capello spent as much time out of the country as he did in it.
     
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  5. MackemsRule

    MackemsRule Well-Known Member

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    And no time at all in this part of the country!
     
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  6. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    TOTTENHAM have made Everton manager David Moyes their No.1 target to replace Harry Redknapp.

    The Everton boss is the man Spurs chairman Daniel Levy wants to take over at White Hart Lane if Redknapp, 64, quits for England.

    Tottenham will fight tooth and nail to keep hold of their current manager.

    And they have even gone as far as offering him a new contract.

    Levy know Redknapp, a proud Englishman, will find it difficult to turn down his country if and when the FA come calling.

    The Club England board met yesterday and Redknapp is believed to be the man they want to replace Fabio Capello.

    Because of all the speculation surrounding Redknapp and the England job, which started even before Capello was axed, Levy already has a contingency plan in place – Moyes.

    The Tottenham supremo feels the Scot is the man to build on Redknapp’s foundations.

    With Spurs third in the Premier League, it looks a good bet Redknapp will secure Champions League qualification for the second time in three years.

    It would be the perfect carrot to lure Moyes away from Everton.

    The 48-year-old has been at Goodison for 10 years and produced remarkable results on an almost non-existent budget.

    There is a strong feeling that, despite his loyalty, Moyes has taken Everton as far as he can.

    But the way he has got the best out of his players and developed a squad is his most attractive quality for Levy.

    Spurs would want up to £5m in compensation from the FA for Redknapp’s services, so they would have the money to pay off Everton if necessary.
     
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  7. mustyfrog

    mustyfrog Well-Known Member

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    why can't a manager mange both club and country? hopefully the new manager will pis off terry, ferdinand, lampard, cole etc etc and bring in a new young vibrant side, ok a few losses, but worth the cause
     
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  8. Steven Royston O'Neill

    Steven Royston O'Neill Well-Known Member

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    I think you are all daft, its obvious who the England manager should be, Brucie
     
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  9. KingHotspur

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    Steve Kean is the man England need.
     
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  10. Steven Royston O'Neill

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  11. Bexinio

    Bexinio Well-Known Member

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    I wouldnt be so rude lol, but i agree with the theme, Pearce is not a manager for me.
     
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  12. blackcatsteve

    blackcatsteve Well-Known Member

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    I still dont understand this anti-pearce theme.

    When McLaren Blew it spectacularly, most at the time, were saying, get a young English manager into the set up, Let him learn from that manager that is there (Cappello as it turns out), so when the manager leaves he already has that experience at International level, and we can get some pride and passion into our game again. And give him the under 21 job, so when the time does come, he will bring through a few of the younger players, and get rid of the old.

    Now its happened, most dont want him as England manager, but you will be hard pressed to find someone else with the experience of International football, with the pride and passion for England as he has.
     
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  13. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    Neither for, nor against mate..

    Should he be given a chance?.........yes

    Do the public cry out for a higher profile name?........yes



    So that leaves Arry.....he's drafting out his resignation to Spurs now.....should be finished in a week or two...
     
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  14. connor wigham

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    exept turn the under 21s into a force for the future
     
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  15. blackcatsteve

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    But in a round about way thats my point.

    In the last 50 years, Bobby Robson and Terry Venebles have been our most successful managers, OK they didnt have any International experience, but they did have local/continental experience, both managed Barcelona for a start, before they got the England Job.

    Cappello and Erikson had Continental experience but no PL experience.

    My Vote would be for Hiddink, he has PL experience (only 1 year but he still has it), Continental experience, and International Experience.

    He just ticks all the boxes for me, yes there are some question marks over Pearce, but the whole point of bringing him in, was to take over and give him the experience to take over.

    Harry will get it, but for me, its another disaster waiting to happen. (hope i am wrong, but i just cant see it working, it hasnt for the last 50 years, so why will this be any different).

    EDIT:: OK Bobby Robson didnt, I am talking out of my arse lol so it has worked once in 50 years, i can still see Redknapp failing miserably though :(
     
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  16. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    But Steve...you like the stats...

    Have a look at Capellos stats, whilst Englang manager.......sure he ranks fairly highly up there.
     
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  17. blackcatsteve

    blackcatsteve Well-Known Member

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    but like Peter Coates says, We are ranked in the Qualifiers, we "should" qualify easily, OK there are no easy games anymore in International football, but we should get out of the group and qualify.

    Its the tournaments where it counts a lot more, and his record isnt very good in them, but thats where he earns his bread and butter.

    I like Capello as a Club manager (well for AC Milan in the 90`s anyway) he just didnt cut it for us, but then not many have.

    Over-expectation is a huge part of the problem, from the press and the fans, also the press digging up every piece of dirt they can find before a tournament on players/managers doesnt help.
     
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  18. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    He had one tournament and while performances were disappointing, he only lost out to the second best team in world football. We also had a fairly poor pool to pick from when you look at the other squads. The reason the performances were so damp was a combination of mistakes made in by Capello in being too loyal, tired players and your main man (9 in 9 in qualifying) and focal point of your attack hiding issues which were making him unable to perform. As we are yet to introduce a winter break despite having the most physically demanding league, so we only have our own FA to blame. It is notable other nations players arrived fresher despite some having played more games.

    Peter Coates is frankly talking horseshit and is just another old fart who is ignoring the real issues and living in the past. We have made significant progress under Capello. He has blooded 8-10 young players who can serve us well and more importantly have greater technical levels than previous generations. A blind man can see we can't retain possession well enough compared to our counterparts. At the time of that world cup we had 20,000 less UEFA qualified coaches than the other big nations like Holland, Spain, Germany. Brooking is working hard to address these problems but it takes decades of of work. Coates needs to realise we did qualify, were under par for a variety of reasons performance wise, but result wise did as expected. Got out of the group, met a better team and came up short.

    People let the disappointment, press and frustration of not being good enough to win cloud their judgement with our managers. We can barely let them have two tournaments such is the blood thirsty nature of our support.
     
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  19. blackcatsteve

    blackcatsteve Well-Known Member

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    Lets be honest, we were crap all tournament.

    In the Qualifiers we will never ever meet the likes of Spain/France/Germany/Italy/Holland, so we should qualify with ease, whoever the manager is, if we want to be serious contenders anyway we should.

    But the FA didnt sack him, he walked, so saying he only had 1 tournament, doesnt mean bog all really, but that 1 tournament we were useless im afraid, and didnt deserve anything more than what we got, which was a hammering off Germany.
     
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  20. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    That's as good as we are though, particularly when tired mate. We are not as good as these teams so can ill afford to below par. He only had one tournament though because the FA royally cocked up with the Terry affair. We're a shambles at the top and need some guys with football knowledge in there and to be quite honest some younger ideas. We're stuck in the past and it shows in our football. The FA are weak and bow to the big clubs and PL which handicaps the national team. Funnily enough these fat cat foreign owners don't give 2 hoots about our national side. We were poor but our problems are not the managers we select, they all have great pedigree. Its the environment and players we provide them. As Redknapp himself says there is no magic wand.
     
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