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We should have sold Fryatt . . .

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Fez, Feb 2, 2012.

  1. Wiles

    Wiles Member

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    Let's wait until next week when he recovers his form then you'll change your tune. So fickle.
     
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  2. Amin Yapusi

    Amin Yapusi Well-Known Member

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    I'm with OLM on this one as I've said before countless times, Fryatt just isn't a lone striker. If he had any one (maybe two) of the following attributes to his game he probably would be, at least at this level:

    A left foot
    Faster
    Able to shoot first time
    Strength
    Height/aerial prescence

    So if we're going to stick with this formation for good, then yes (and this isn't a knee jerk reaction) we may aswell have sold him as we're not playing him to his strengths and getting the best out of him. However if we're going to use him to the best of his ability at any point or he does manage to adapt to playing up top on his own, I would never sell him in a month of Sundays. I'd also like to add he's more of a lone striker than anyone else we have, McLean would be 2nd choice but his first touch, ball control, passing ability and just general technical ability is so piss poor at times it would be suicidal to let him play there on his own, playing there on your own has a massive responsibility (and to me this is the most important part of the role) to be able to control it well with your first touch, hold onto it for a short while and be able to lay it off to someone else to carry on with, which Fryatt can do any day of the week, but sadly McLean only seems capable of those things when he's having the best of games, which is probably once every blue moon.

    I still say we should switch to a 4-4-2, then Fryatt gets a partner and McLean gets used in his natural position. I think McLean is vital to our team as without him we have no one to scrap for the ball and bully/push around/hassle defenders into making errors and no one to aim clearances at, his work ethic and power is essential. Then we get to see both Stewart and Brady on the wings, that would be trouble for any pair of full backs. The only thing would be that Evans would drop out in place for McKenna (or Oli) and Koren in the middle. But sometimes I think the only reason we keep sticking with this formation is because we have an abundance of central midfielders and its to let them all get game time.

    I think the club should employ some scientists, take Fryatts and McLeans genes and make a clone, then we'd have a serious frontman.
     
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  3. andy payton's mullet

    andy payton's mullet Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget to add some of Dele's genes to give him a bit more height!!
     
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  4. Fez

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    My point is that on his current form (long-standing now!) he should not be playing. We need goals now so that we can press with our promotion ambitions and I do not see them coming from Fryatt in a month of sundays. Therefore, as a non-playing squad member, he should be considered for sale - if, and that is a big if, there is an improvement available. The longer this situation draws on the more I think that Fryat is not/should not be a first team player; he is frustrating our progress (yes, we are top six, but had he of taken a fair share of his chances we would have been firmly eschonced in a top two position. I know there are other issues to take into account, and they are . . .

    . . . the problem with this is the formation we play and getting this to happen and maintain the 'passing game'; but you have a good point . . .

    . . . I agree, there is nothing wrong with Fryatt's ability, but getting him to bring it out in competitive play seems to be an issue. The team you have suggested is more in-line with what I believe represents the players we have, but I believe Nick Barmby would have concerns about this shape detracting from his preferred passing game - it is more difficult to maintain the triangles and offers the opposition more counter-breaks; but yes, if we do not change the player, we must accommodate his style (I do wonder, though, whether or not he would perform, because, as has been said, alot of his fluffs, are pretty damn basic football!) . . .

    . . . yes, I will!! But it will take more tan one week to make me less twitchy. . .

    You state my case very plainly with the highlighted sentence and I also agree that if we think a change of tactics will assist him then selling him is a folly - but in the meantime, how many assists will be squandered getting there? Your's and OLM's use of the mid-field differs a bit but it is not too important as the end product is plenty of domination and assists (most games!), but no end product. Fryatt is a dilemma, he is a good player who is not doing what we want from his position - score goals that win games - how long should he be carried when we have a manager who is still capable of finishing better? It's all mainly rhetorical now, but his position is massively critical to progress when we are doing so well with the other positions, even though they need polish!
     
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  5. merchantman5

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    Just as well otherwise you would of ****ed up again the other night:emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  6. westhulltiger

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    How long should he be carried when we have a manager who is still capable of bringing in a premiership striker on loan?
     
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  7. The FRENCH TICKLER

    The FRENCH TICKLER Well-Known Member

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    Utter nonsense ^^^^^^^ this, imo.
     
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  8. The FRENCH TICKLER

    The FRENCH TICKLER Well-Known Member

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    agreed. but what do they do in training then ? one on ones, quick fire shooting and such like that.

    maybe a coaching job for Deano IF Nick is to busy with other matters.
     
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  9. Amin Yapusi

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    I would say the use of midfield would have to be sacrificed for Fryatt to blossom sadly, as he needs a partner, not just for service but to give him space, it's too easy for opposition defenders to mark him out the game, 2 of them mark him and block his path to goal which is all they have to do to silence him as he offers no other threat (aerially etc.). With another man up there there's one less available defender to mark him/block the goal so he has more space therefore more chance of doing a little turn or even just getting a shot away and having the gaps to actually hit the target without having to hit a techinically superb placed shot into the corner or something with only mere inches either side of the ball to play with without it being blocked.

    I believe he's in a similar position to Stewart, where he needs to figure out a way around being doubled up and blocked from seeing the goal, remember he's not used to playing as a lone front man and not sure he'd hardly ever played as one before Barmby took over so this could be a whole new experience for him. It may come with time - it may not.
     
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  10. westhulltiger

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    Too busy working on corners
     
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  11. The FRENCH TICKLER

    The FRENCH TICKLER Well-Known Member

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    forget corners.<eek> Finishing should be the prirority. :emoticon-0116-evilg
     
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  12. jamesthemonkeh

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    All strikers have bad patches - look at Torres and Carroll.

    We should persist with Fryatt as long as he continues to make the effort and he will come good again - he has done it before and will do it again.
     
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  13. jamesthemonkeh

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    All strikers have bad patches - look at Torres and Carroll.

    We should persist with Fryatt as long as he continues to make the effort and he will come good again - he has done it before and will do it again.
     
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  14. westhulltiger

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    To an extent I agree but we need a plan B
     
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  15. hullborn

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    if its true what people are saying, and that Fryatt gets his goals when playing next to a "Big" striker.. then Barmby is in the wrong for not using that formation and Pearson was also in the wrong for buying mclean with fryatt..

    i like to think Fryatt is a confidence striker who goes on a scoring run and then hits a cold patch... the problem is, it happens far too often. and again barmby is wrong for not bringing in another striker who can compete with fryatt and take his place when fryatt has a dip in form.
     
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  16. westhulltiger

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    Yet?

    Barmby also said he was going to give Jay simpson a chance, doesn't look like it to me
     
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  17. Fez

    Fez Well-Known Member

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    I accepted your first post as your opinion, although I might disagree; but then you write this which seems to say that my opinion might not be 'utter nonsense' - but your coaching job for Windass comment tends to make your opinion a tad weak or 'utter nonsense' to paoch your style!
     
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  18. Fez

    Fez Well-Known Member

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    The whole idea of 4-4-2 sits comfortably with me, because the current lone striker is not working. I would have thought that our attacking mids would be flourishing when the opposition are using 4 men to mark Stewart and Fryatt - just a thoiught!:emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  19. Hank Scorpio

    Hank Scorpio Well-Known Member

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    Hyperthetical question, Fez:

    If Barmby had brought someone in during the transfer window, and this striker hadn't started banging them in (like you expect he would), how long would it have taken you to turn on that player, if he showed no signs of scoring?

    Support the lads.
     
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  20. Kempton

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    Why on earth does our obvious lack of goals all come down to Fryatt ? It has been said that If he'd put away the easy chances he's had we'd be top two now. This is probably true,but there are other factors.

    If other players (Koren aside bless him) had chipped in,even a less than average tally,then we would be top two. If we had scored,again an even less than average amount from set pieces,we would be top two.

    Our other regular marksman is Whoopi Goldberg,he's on four. Talking of four,how many have our back four scored ? Your'e spot on,0,none,zero,zilch. Wingers and the rest of our midfield ? Well you get my drift.

    Get off Fryatts back,it does'nt make any sense to put our top goal scorer under more pressure than he will already feel. He knows his job is to score goals,and he knows he has'nt scored in ten.We can see he is working hard for the team and we know he has been prolific at this level so...... <steam>
     
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